Only one Cyclone at the combine

[hawkfan]

Do you watch the NFL? A lot of TE's are called receiving TE's and aren't good blockers or rarely used to block. Heck Dallas Clark is one of them.

Reisner is shorter and slower than Franklin, and doesn't have as good of hands. In no world is he a better TE prospect. But kudos to him for getting an invite. It is in doubt because of where he played college football and not his actual skill level. Heck Collin Franklin had more catches in 1 1/2 than Reisner did in 4 years.

Dallas Clark is a darn good blocker....I'm sure you've probably watched a sum total of 3 complete Colts games in your entire life, but Dallas regularly can seal off a DE by himself. Moeaki will probably end up being a better blocker, but to say Dallas "isn't a good blocker" shows me you don't watch many Colts games.

And to the bold part...its amazing how ISU fans can't just admit that "average" Iowa players (such as Reisner) are more prepared for the NFL than the best ISU players at the same position. Were you one of the guys two years ago arguing to your death that Arnaud was a far superior QB to Stanzi? I think we all watched that one play out.

I'm sure you're right though 85', the guys whose livelihood DEPENDS on evaluating talent probably are just holding a grudge against ISU by not inviting Franklin. Do you realize Iowa is tied with OSU for the most players getting an invite to the NFL combine this year? There's a reason for that. Iowa players are NFL ready when they leave....ISU players....well I think we can compare the drafts of the last decade to measure which program prepares players for the NFL better.

Going forward, that may change. Rhoads seems to realize that you have to develop talent at ISU, you can't just recruit it. So ISU may begin to ready players for the NFL better than they have in the last decade. Until ISU does it though, you may want to consider your natural bias before posting something ridiculous like "In no world is he a better TE prospect". LOL.

I'll gladly wager with you right now that Reisner gets drafted this year before Franklin. Franklin is a niche player. Period. Reisner can do it all. Can he do it at an elite level? No. But neither can Franklin. And at least Reisner knows how to block.

 

[Wesley]

This is pretty much all true. Franklin is not a terrible blocker, and he improved a lot in 2010, but he will not be a traditional TE in the NFL by any means. He is going to have to fit into a system similar to New England's or Green Bay's to have success. I think he will have success but he is going to be overlooked by most teams.

He will be the next Kellner in the NFL.

 

[DaMayorofdaSqua]

Franklin wasn't on a lot of people radar since he was sick all last year. But its a no-brainer to say he will be playing in the NFL, esp. since he has the size, speed, hands, and ability they are looking for

If this was the case, he would've been invited to the combine.

He has a LOT to prove before making an NFL team. He'll probably get on a practice squad and will have a year, two max, to prove himself.

 

[AmesHawk]

Do you watch the NFL? A lot of TE's are called receiving TE's and aren't good blockers or rarely used to block. Heck Dallas Clark is one of them.

Reisner is shorter and slower than Franklin, and doesn't have as good of hands. In no world is he a better TE prospect. But kudos to him for getting an invite. It is in doubt because of where he played college football and not his actual skill level. Heck Collin Franklin had more catches in 1 1/2 than Reisner did in 4 years.

What really hurts Franklin is who he plays for and that he had H1N1 last season and couldn't showcase his skills during his junior season.

Check out this video around the 4:50 mark and tell me he doesn't have as good of hands. Reisner was playing early because of his reliable hands, and had to work on his blocking as he progressed through the system.

I also would like to point out to those who say Reisner is just a product of Iowa's system that the same could be said for Franklin. Iowa typically does not pass near the amount ISU does, and when they do, I think it is fair to say that Iowa has had a better core of receivers to spread the ball out to. Think what system Iowa runs and what system ISU runs, and now tell me what pro teams are looking for.

Hollywood is a good kid and a good player and will get his shot at the next level.

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[Clones85']

Check out this video around the 4:50 mark and tell me he doesn't have as good of hands. Reisner was playing early because of his reliable hands, and had to work on his blocking as he progressed through the system.

I also would like to point out to those who say Reisner is just a product of Iowa's system that the same could be said for Franklin. Iowa typically does not pass near the amount ISU does, and when they do, I think it is fair to say that Iowa has had a better core of receivers to spread the ball out to. Think what system Iowa runs and what system ISU runs, and now tell me what pro teams are looking for.

Hollywood is a good kid and a good player and will get his shot at the next level.

YouTube - Iowa Wisconsin Football Highlights 2008

Didn't he say he didn't have good hands. Just said they aren't as good as Franklins

Arnaud and Stanzi threw pretty much the exact same amount of passes a game. So your second paragraph is wrong. Iowa passed just as much.

Reisner is a good player. Just not an NFL player.

 

[AmesHawk]

Didn't he say he didn't have good hands. Just said they aren't as good as Franklins

Arnaud and Stanzi threw pretty much the exact same amount of passes a game. So your second paragraph is wrong. Iowa passed just as much.

Reisner is a good player. Just not an NFL player.

Last 3 years -
Stanzi - 903 attempts (3 bowl games)
Arnaud - 994 attempts (1 bowl game)

Both missed time with injuries - Stanzi missed 2 games, I dont know about Arnaud but know he at least missed the Neb game 2 years ago and some time at the end of this year.

So I think it is safe to say that ISU passes more in their offense than Iowa does.

Edit: Without looking I would go ahead and guess that Tillers has attempted more passes than Vandy.

And I think I will take a pro scout's opinion over yours reguarding Reisner. :smile:

 

[wartknight]

The fact that Franklin is the only one there speaks volumes about the quality of Mac's final recruits and to a certain extent, chiziks first class

 

[AmesHawk]

The fact that Franklin is the only one there speaks volumes about the quality of Mac's final recruits and to a certain extent, chiziks first class

Um... Sims is the one that is there, not Franklin.

 

[Clones85']

Last 3 years -
Stanzi - 903 attempts (3 bowl games)
Arnaud - 994 attempts (1 bowl game)

Both missed time with injuries - Stanzi missed 2 games, I dont know about Arnaud but know he at least missed the Neb game 2 years ago and some time at the end of this year.

So I think it is safe to say that ISU passes more in their offense than Iowa does.

Edit: Without looking I would go ahead and guess that Tillers has attempted more passes than Vandy.

And I think I will take a pro scout's opinion over yours reguarding Reisner. :smile:

Last 3 years? Go by total games and/or this year. This year where Reisner and Franklin were both #1 options at TE they threw pretty much the exact same amount of passes. Stanzi threw more passes but played more games. He completed more passes a game than Arnaud too

 

[AmesHawk]

Last 3 years? Go by total games and/or this year. This year where Reisner and Franklin were both #1 options at TE they threw pretty much the exact same amount of passes. Stanzi threw more passes but played more games. He completed more passes a game than Arnaud too

Ok,
Vandy - 2010 - 8 attempts
Stanzi - 2010 - 345 attempts

13 games - 27 att/game

Arnaud - 2010 - 290 attempts
Tiller - 2010 - 82 attempts

12 games - 31 att/game

ISU passed more during this last season. I also think that the previous 2 seasons would give a better average, but that would only hurt your cause, so I wont crunch the numbers. I wonder what the numbers might look like when Iowa had more than 1 healthy running back (think Shonn Greene/Jewel Hampton 2008)

 

[Enginerd]

Just more proof of what I already knew, David Sims was the best football player on ISU's squad. We are going to miss that guy next year.

 

[AmesHawk]

So that was my first claim for why Hollywood's numbers are inflated, that ISU passes more, which I proved correct.

As for the second part of my claim, that Iowa had better options in the receiving game, look at the numbers McNutt, DJK, Robinson, and Sandeman put up.

Also remember that Iowa runs a lot of 2 tight end sets and Reisner split receptions with Herman.

 

[Enginerd]

So that was my first claim for why Hollywood's numbers are inflated, that ISU passes more, which I proved correct.

As for the second part of my claim, that Iowa had better options in the receiving game, look at the numbers McNutt, DJK, Robinson, and Sandeman put up.

Also remember that Iowa runs a lot of 2 tight end sets and Reisner split receptions with Herman.

I bet this post would be well received on a Hawkeye site. You should try it.

 

[AmesHawk]

I bet this post would be well received on a Hawkeye site. You should try it.

I'm sorry, you must have missed where the first post in the thread mentioned Iowa. Iowa is obviously a hot topic around here.:smile:

 

[wartknight]

Um... Sims is the one that is there, not Franklin.

Oops, my Bad. After reading the rest of the thread I got sidetracked. Point remains the same.
Also shows how valuable it is for players to be a part of the same S&C philosophy instead of having to "start over" in that regard 3 different times in their career.

 

[xboxfever]

Iowa State always seems to get the shaft on everything. The combine only invites 1-2 Cyclones if any at all. Ellis Hobbs wasn't invited, but he was still a 3rd round pick so it really isn't that big a deal to be invited since all schools have pro days where guy like Franklin and A-Rob get a chance to impress.

 

[BigMan]

Go talk about Reisner on the Iowa boards....last I checked this is Cyclone Fanatic!!!

 

[AmesHawk]

Go talk about Reisner on the Iowa boards....last I checked this is Cyclone Fanatic!!!

Were you talking to me BigMan, or the cyclone fan who started the thread talking about Reisner? Thanks for the clarification.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

Were you talking to me BigMan, or the cyclone fan who started the thread talking about Reisner? Thanks for the clarification.

Last time i checked, the thread is titled one CYCLONE at the combine and it makes a brief mention of one Iowa player

 

[AmesHawk]

Last time i checked, the thread is titled one CYCLONE at the combine and it makes a brief mention of one Iowa player

Why mention the Iowa player at all then? What does Allen Reisner have to do with a cyclone player being invited to the combine at all?

Trust me, I would not have been in the conversation at all if Reisner was not in it, but I find it humorous that people get offended at hawkeye conversation when it was themselves that started it.