Exactly!!!
I say if the workers take the day off they can have a permanent vacation from the plant then.
Pa. Steelworkers Told to Work During Superbowl
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Exactly!!!
I say if the workers take the day off they can have a permanent vacation from the plant then.
This statement is, sadly, more profound than you may have meant it to be about our country's entitlement attitude and what it is costing us in the long run…or you're just that wise.
This. Plants that make things, not assemble them, almost never shut down because of the cost of shutting down and starting back up. I've been to plants that shut down maybe once a year when things need fixed, and when they don't, stay running for years at a time. I don't want to think about how much it would cost a large steel manufacturer to clean out all of the machines. We aren't talking about using a screw to attach part a to part b, we're talking molten metals, which, once solidified, are almost impossible to reliquify. It would probably be much cheaper to bring in some extra workers so everyone can take more breaks and pay everyone double or triple time this weekend than it would be to shut down.
They can be reeeaaaaallllll flexible.
Here, you want Sunday off? Go ahead….and don't come back because I've got a stack of applicants in HR who have life's priorities straight that would love to have the problem of trying to work a football GAME around their work schedule.
It is obvious that a lot of the people here have no idea how a large plant works. You can't just shut down the plant so that people can watch a football game. It would probably cost them $millions$ to shut down 3 plants, even for a few hours.
These guys have union jobs, they should be happy to have such a way to earn a living in this day and age. If US Steel wasted millions every time a few employees complained or had their feelings hurt, they would have to shut their US operations down completely and move off shore. And then you have no US Steel jobs.
These guys have union jobs, they should be happy to have such a way to earn a living in this day and age. If US Steel wasted millions every time a few employees complained or had their feelings hurt, they would have to shut their US operations down completely and move off shore. And then you have no US Steel jobs.
They need to get over it. Meanwhile there are lots and lots of police, firemen, nurses and doctors, power plant workers, etc.... who can't and won't just shutdown and go home because of the game. It's part of having a career. You work when the man says you have to work. Don't they know how to work a DVR?
This statement is, sadly, more profound than you may have meant it to be about our country's entitlement attitude and what it is costing us in the long run…or you're just that wise.
I'm confident that Broodwich knew exactly what he was saying.
Some of you need to re-read the article. The USW vp said adjusting schedules and increasing production at other shifts could compensate. He didn't say anything about closing down the plant as some people on here assume. I think he knows a little more about the plant situation than we do, and yes, if management refuses to even discuss the matter with the union, I think it's pretty small considering it's the "Pittsburg Steelers" in the superbowl. Do they have to consider it? Of course not, but if it's feasible to do, as the article suggests, I agree management will pay in the long run in lost productivity for being so small.
You aren't going to shut down the furnaces. You will need people to run them and ensure they are operating where they are supposed to be. As in my previous post, if you tell Steelers fans that they don't have to work, everyone becomes a Steelers fan. Add the union into the mix, and then it becomes an issue that nobody wants to deal with.
I would say let the steelworkers be flexible. I'm sure that the steel workers receive annual leave. If the SuperBowl is that important to them let them use their annual leave.
This statement is, sadly, more profound than you may have meant it to be about our country's entitlement attitude and what it is costing us in the long run…or you're just that wise.
I've known Broodwich for about 15 years. The man knoweth what he speaketh.
Exactly. If they have vacation they can take, good for them. If not, too bad. Sucks, but that's the way the world works. Otherwise, I'd take off work for Ron Santo's birthday and expect to not have to use vacation.
Sounds like the steelworkers are trying to be flexible. Like I said, none of us know enough about this situation except what's in the article. Who says the furnaces would have to be shut down, and who knows what the "annual leave" situation is? If everybody takes their annual leave on superbowl day, then what happens? Bottom line, if this would work out if management would work with the union a little on this, a smart management would do it imo. The increased production from the morale boost to the employees would more than make up for it.
Easier said than done. I really believe there is no more difficult task on the planet than firing a union employee.
I can guarantee you that since the steel workers are unionized that all but the newest employees have accrued annual leave.
If the USW wants special exceptions for the Super Bowl, then let them negotiate it in their next contract with US Steel. Otherwise, they can pound sand.
The next time a union deviates from whatever ridiculous terms they force an employer to agree to will be the first. They shouldn't expect anything different from "the man".
CycloneErik
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It's Sunday night. It's a special occasion. Take the day off.
I've got no qualms whatsoever with taking time off for a sporting event. Done it before, and I'll do it again. Personal time should be flexible, for anything the employee desires.
I didn't enjoy the last job much, but that was something I really thought they handled well.
I've got no qualms whatsoever with taking time off for a sporting event. Done it before, and I'll do it again. Personal time should be flexible, for anything the employee desires.
I didn't enjoy the last job much, but that was something I really thought they handled well.
Have the meat packers of the upper Midwest chimed in on this? From my point of view, they have just as much skin in the game.
…and that matters why?
We live in a free country and it is a beautiful thing! But that freedom comes with responsiblity.
We get to decide whether or not we make the rules (i.e.…work for ourselves -- make our own rules and live with the consequences ) or we allow someone else to make the rules (become an employee - get some added safety, but limit our choices).
You can't have it both ways.
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