What'd be even more interesting is if ESPN is involved 'back channel' in this ... IF it even happens. Or is the Pac12 playing a B1G bluff? Or are they leveraging Amazon for involvement in next contract negotiation. There's so many directions this could fly and a much higher number of reasons.
Pac-12 to decide whether to expand within a couple weeks
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I think the prevailing assumption of every Big 10 shill that UNC and UVA would just rocket ship to the Big 10 the second they snap their fingers is weird.
That move requires a hit to their ego, and I don't think any of the schools, presidents, conference commissioners, athletic directors, or fans are willing to take that on, even if it meant sense financially and/or competitively.
Still not the worst case scenario ... only because the timing isn't right. In 2 years, a completely different story.
Jeremy, you clearly have never smoked meth
Honestly it's probably the determining factor on if we end up with 4 major conferences or 2.
A strong Pac could stop the insanity and solidify these four leagues.
A weak Pac makes it more likely that the Big Ten and SEC go nuclear and carve up everybody when the timing is right.
Downer tone to this comment. Jeremy is a methhead. Didn’t expect to learn this in a realignment thread. 2021 is a doozy.
This has been my assumption on what would happen from the start, I never thought the Big 10 would add unless an amazing opportunity fell in the lap and if the PAC 12 wants to be financially viable they need to have a sizeable presence in either the central or eastern timezones.
If the Pac 12 really does decide to not expand that leaves me with a lot of questions.
Wow. That sounds eerily similar the things said when the B12 was considering expansion ... prior to the mess it's in now. While I agree with you, I only do so because the timing isn't right just yet. But, we're getting pretty darned close for the B1G to have to make a power move.
Maybe it's not an easy decision, but if they could make the GoR work it would be a huge boost financially and still let them turn up their academic noses to their hillbilly brethren in the SEC. I think there's enough of a threat of Clemson and FSU heading to the SEC, and ND doing whatever the hell they damn well please that the ACC could be on shaky ground.
Pac isn't going to announce adding any teams in 2 weeks...The Commish said he should know in 2 weeks or so if the recommendation is to look at expansion..
if the PAC stays at 12 their conference will be dead man walking within 5 years.. They cannot continue to just off West coast times and survive.
This is the PAC one shot to grab legit P5 programs that offer a brand new time zone TV wise.. They won't get another shot.
It is entirely feasible a rebuilt Big 12 adding BYU, Cinnci, Etc...in 10 years with streaming etc could be of more value than the PAC.
if the PAC stays at 12 their conference will be dead man walking within 5 years.. They cannot continue to just off West coast times and survive.
This is the PAC one shot to grab legit P5 programs that offer a brand new time zone TV wise.. They won't get another shot.
It is entirely feasible a rebuilt Big 12 adding BYU, Cinnci, Etc...in 10 years with streaming etc could be of more value than the PAC.
This may have been true a few weeks ago but not with this new alliance the conferences are reporting. They set up this alliance in response to what the SEC is doing and could continue to do. No way they start poaching each other in the alliance.
Well clearly I’m uninformed on the different kinds of drugs, but the observation still holds true
Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC alliance expected to be formally announced soon: Sources
Schools within the three conferences believe they are like-minded, that they want to continue to prioritize broad-based sports offerings and that the academic profile of their institutions matters.
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Did you watch last year when the big 10 tried that unity move to not play, and thought all the schools in the conference would join in?
Did you also see them amend their rules at least 3 times for Ohio state?
the dog that is the big 10 is wagged by the tail that is Ohio state. It used to be easy, they had more than everyone else, by a lot. Easy roads to the playoffs too. They could afford to be magnanimous with no threat to their place in line across all of the ncaa
there are real contenders to schools other than ut having more with this move from Disney.
Possible outcomes:
1. Grand Alliance
They all go to 16 and face down SEC/ESPN together. These 3 of the P4 are the face of academics, student athletes, tradition, mom and apple pie (true or not, that would be the marketing pitch).
ACC takes WV
B1G takes KU & ISU
Pac12 takes OSU, KSU, Tech, and TCU
2. Non-Aggression Pact
They won't raid each other, but not going to necessarily help each other out. Pac expands to 16 (maybe 20), but ACC and B1G hold pat.
Pac12 takes ISU, OSU, KU, and Tech
3. Fake Alliance Doublecross
This is where we get a P2 superleague setup. B1G raids some Pac12, maybe even makes a play at some ACC teams and GOR be damned. ACC loses some teams to the SEC as well. SEC and B1G end up at 20 teams each, and what's left of the ACC, Big12, and Pac12 end up being 2nd tier college football.
ISU would end up in 2nd tier. You would probably have four 10 team leagues here, kind of west, southwest, midwest, and east.
None of this is going to happen any sooner than next year, and maybe a year or two after that.
I would guess that #2 is most likely situation.
1. Grand Alliance
They all go to 16 and face down SEC/ESPN together. These 3 of the P4 are the face of academics, student athletes, tradition, mom and apple pie (true or not, that would be the marketing pitch).
ACC takes WV
B1G takes KU & ISU
Pac12 takes OSU, KSU, Tech, and TCU
2. Non-Aggression Pact
They won't raid each other, but not going to necessarily help each other out. Pac expands to 16 (maybe 20), but ACC and B1G hold pat.
Pac12 takes ISU, OSU, KU, and Tech
3. Fake Alliance Doublecross
This is where we get a P2 superleague setup. B1G raids some Pac12, maybe even makes a play at some ACC teams and GOR be damned. ACC loses some teams to the SEC as well. SEC and B1G end up at 20 teams each, and what's left of the ACC, Big12, and Pac12 end up being 2nd tier college football.
ISU would end up in 2nd tier. You would probably have four 10 team leagues here, kind of west, southwest, midwest, and east.
None of this is going to happen any sooner than next year, and maybe a year or two after that.
I would guess that #2 is most likely situation.
Rice will never be a viable option. They’re a tiny school that was a doormat in the SWC. In 1996, the year after the SWC collapsed, they won seven games for the first time since the year before President Kennedy asked “why does Rice play Texas?”
