NBA: Paul Pierce - HOF?
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Really a solid comparison. Afterall I am calling McGrady the best ever.
7 time all NBA player to Pierce's 4 years. Better scorer for a solid 8-10 years. Better playoff #'s than Pierce. His resume is better minus the ring. If you have an argument to show Pierce's resume is better, please show it, as I love the conversation and have changed my stance on some things after reading others posts, but so far you've added nothing to this thread.
And back to another question/point now. If Paul Pierce has a career in Orlando and Toronto is he a HOF'er? I question it.
I don't need an argument to something that's a non-question.
McGrady has played one more year than Pierce...18000 career pts, 5000 rebs, 1100 stls, 4100 ast, 0 PLAYOFF WINS.
Pierce: 23000 pts, 6100 rebs, 4000 asts, 1500 stls, 15 Playoff series wins, 2 conference titles, 1 NBA title, 1 finals MVP.
No comparison.
Here is an article by Bill Simons on Paul Pierce. Good read and supports the idea of Pierce as a HOF'er.
The Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth - The Triangle Blog - Grantland
The Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing But the Truth - The Triangle Blog - Grantland
You mean playoff series wins? Yeah that's not great. But I think that shows more on McGrady's teams than him as his stats were pretty unreal during those years.
Pierce has played in about 100 more games and more importantly 7,000 more minutes. His numbers should be better in total.
Listen, I get why Pierce will get the nod over McGrady, and I don't think McGrady is a Hall of Fame player. McGrady's injuries the past 5 years have killed his chances. I'm simply saying, when looking at their individual resume, McGrady has had a better career and was the bigger "star" of the two. Obviously the ring trumps all and I get that. I'm just in the camp that it isn't as cut and dry as some think
Good read. Durability should count for something. Who cares how good you are if you can't play more than 50 games. I'm tipping over more to Pierce's side! :smile:
You ought to be. McGrady over Pierce is absurd. At the peak of their primes, McGrady was better, but as a career, it's not even a comparison.
KG would have been a first-ballot hof'er with or without the ring.
I think Allen would have been a hof'er eventually but the ring improved his case and he could be a first or second-ballot guy now.
Say what you want about Pierece, but nobody in the NBA has made more big shots/plays in the past five years than him. Anyone that actually paid attention to the Celtics before 2008 knows Pierce did it regularly on some really bad teams.
I think anyone with a vote will consider those moments over his statistics.
That post didn't have anything to do with McGrady but rather Pierce in the Hall of Fame.
McGrady did have a better individual career than Pierce for a good 10 years. That's saying something. His All NBA awards trump Pierce's even as an entire career.
Tell me who is who in this scenario?
Player A was 23 years old. He averaged 32.1 points(led league) 6.5 rebounds and 5.5 assists on 46 percent shooting and 39 percent from 3.
Player B was 23 years old. He averaged 28.0 points (led league), 8 rebounds and 3.5 assists on 49 percent shooting and 36 percent from 3.
Player A: Tracy McGrady in 02-03. Player B: Kevin Durant this year.
McGrady's 02-03 season with Orlando was one of the more under appreciated years in NBA history. That said, I agree with the consensus that Pierce had the better career than McGrady. But McGrady's individual brilliance has been lost in time in my opinion. Probably not HOF, but darn close. If Durant goes through similar injuries 5 years from now, does the opinion of him change? Makes for an entertaining discussion.
Player A was 23 years old. He averaged 32.1 points(led league) 6.5 rebounds and 5.5 assists on 46 percent shooting and 39 percent from 3.
Player B was 23 years old. He averaged 28.0 points (led league), 8 rebounds and 3.5 assists on 49 percent shooting and 36 percent from 3.
Player A: Tracy McGrady in 02-03. Player B: Kevin Durant this year.
McGrady's 02-03 season with Orlando was one of the more under appreciated years in NBA history. That said, I agree with the consensus that Pierce had the better career than McGrady. But McGrady's individual brilliance has been lost in time in my opinion. Probably not HOF, but darn close. If Durant goes through similar injuries 5 years from now, does the opinion of him change? Makes for an entertaining discussion.
Francis and T-Mac never played together, they were traded for each other along with everybody's favorite Cyclone Kelvin Cato in 2004! (Ok..maybe not everyone's favorite.) Francis completely unraveled a few years after he was traded, speculation is he got heavy into alcohol/drugs, dealt with some injuries, got way out of shape and was never the same.
He was out of the league by 2007-08. Sad story.
Steve Francis never played in a playoff game with Tracy McGrady. They were teammates for 10 games in Houston but Francis stunk at that stage and didn't play after those 10 games, including no playoff games.
It was Yao Ming, McGrady, Rafer Aston, Luther Head, and Juwan Howard on those teams. Not a lot of support.
