POLL: How much will you contribute to the collective

[Nycclone]

Being paid as a spokesman for a corporate sponsor is NIL, it is using your Name, Image and Likeness.

Being paid by a collective, such as OU giving every football player $50K each, is not NIL. There is no spokesmanship or sponsorship from a Not-for-profit handing out money to everyone.

I'm all for players profiting of their NIL if they are truly a spokesman, but just raising money and going Oprah, you get $, you get $, you get $, without actually doing anything other than coming to the school or being on the team is what I don't agree with.

Assuming that’s accurate yes. But ultimately, what you are doing is assuming.

For example, the Oklahoma collective is yes, funded by boosters but the payment is in exchange for helping non profit groups in the area. I’m sure something similar could be done with some of the childrens hospitals and if anything, that justifies my payment to an nil even more.

 

[Mr Janny]

I agree with you that their is no easy way. But if they do find a way to police it they need to put in penalties with some actual teeth.

But how can a athlete be a spokesman for a collective that's mission is to raise money to pay athletes? It's like a circular reference. The collective's sole purpose is to raise money and pay athletes, it's different than a business or other not for profit hiring them to be a spokesman.

If it comes to that, they'll attach themselves to some charity and move along. And I wouldn't hold your breath on the NCAA enacting any rules with teeth. It's just not going to happen. If anything, they'll make an example of some small school while the big ones skate by. It's just how it works.

"Forget it, @isufbcurt , it's Chinatown"

 

[ISUTex]

I guess I'm not that loyal. I ain't giving **** to kids who are already pampered enough with everything div 1 athletes are already getting. If they want money, they should go seek out legitimate endorsement money. If we're just going to pay players, then they need to change the rules and make the schools pay them. Better yet, make the NCAA pay them.

 

[Urbandale2013]

I will just give my anecdotal evidence on where this is going. I sat down to rebudget, after getting a raise, today. Last year I was a $500 donor with football tickets and I was adding basketball tickets this year. Now I’m still doing stuff this year because I’ve already committed to aspects of it (did decrease donation with reindex). With all of this stuff going on I’m looking at next year doing nothing for Iowa State.

Mind you I am looking to budget for a new house and stuff but I’m a young donor who was already contributing significantly. In the matter of a year I am likely going from $100 a month on Iowa State stuff to $0.

I hope that I’m overreacting but I’m just afraid that we lose a lot of people with this stuff. I’m no longer of the mentality that I should make sacrifices to support Iowa State. I want them to succeed but I just can’t put my heart into it without the expectation of receiving that same effort back.

 

[Yellow Snow]

Just for reference info.

A poster on the Iowa site asked the exact same question about a collective for them. Choices are just "yes", "no" and "unsure".

56% were yes. So we aren't that far behind.

 

[NWICY]

I will just give my anecdotal evidence on where this is going. I sat down to rebudget, after getting a raise, today. Last year I was a $500 donor with football tickets and I was adding basketball tickets this year. Now I’m still doing stuff this year because I’ve already committed to aspects of it (did decrease donation with reindex). With all of this stuff going on I’m looking at next year doing nothing for Iowa State.

Mind you I am looking to budget for a new house and stuff but I’m a young donor who was already contributing significantly. In the matter of a year I am likely going from $100 a month on Iowa State stuff to $0.

I hope that I’m overreacting but I’m just afraid that we lose a lot of people with this stuff. I’m no longer of the mentality that I should make sacrifices to support Iowa State. I want them to succeed but I just can’t put my heart into it without the expectation of receiving that same effort back.

I'm going to keep season tickets had them for many years MBB and WBB, just added FB last yr decided to keep them again after much consideration. I do enjoy going to the games so keeping that part and actually having the best seats in the house doesn't matter to me I like being at the event. Like the Tshirts from a couple of yrs ago Hilton is my happy place.

 

[acoustimac]

Remember how these kids were always referred to as scholar-athletes with "scholar" purposely placed first? No longer.

 

[ISU_Guy]

-most people don't have a lot of disposable income sitting around. People are going to buy tickets (unless things get really bad) and those prices for those seats keep going up and the donation requirements increase.
So the average person only as "X" to donate. So if they typically donated "X" to ISU and/or something else, and then if they decide to donate $1000 to the NIL - I would imagine that $1000 is something they don't donate to somewhere else. Whether its taking their donation level down a notch or not giving as much to ISU or some charity. Something is getting less. This is really going to be battle for corporate and rich people.
But even that sucks because instead of some ISU Donor giving $1M towards a pressbox upgrade, they are now screwing around with NIL money that is high risk for ROI.

-Has anyone ever visited a church where some member got hurt or there is some sort of crisis or mission that needs help right away? The pastor gives the overview and then ushers start passing the plate around for a special offering to meet a need. That is what this feels like.

-I kind of hope you see a few examples of a guys like Tyrese going to a school like KU and just flopping and someone just eats 500k-1M on a player that doesn't pan out. (just using him as an example not wishing for it)

-I know it gets brought up, but what if the collective is $5M and hardly any goes to Women? Are we opening up potential law suits?

-I think this is going to be very cancerous in the locker rooms across the country. you are going to know publicly that some 5 star coming in is getting 300K and another player is getting a texas roadhouse gift card along with a scholly. Lets say the 5 star just doesn't produce and the other player becomes a "Brockington" this year.

You see this in the NBA, heck you see this at work sites all over the country that someone is getting paid more and sucks at their job.


I am just really sad that conference realignment, TV money, NIL has blown up stability, traditions and has really made a challenging job like ISU much more difficult IMO.

 

[Cloneon]

Unless it's a binding contract for 4 years and/or reimbursable if early exit to any paying entity, I consider it a waste of money. In other words, there are so many other areas of contribution / investment more crucial to this world than this. And, as if the cost of a college education isn't enough.
Sorry. It's just me venting my opinion on how this world has gotten so out-of-hand.
That said, as so many college coaches have already stated, this whole thing is going to blow up. Meaning; 'collectively' teams will want rules around this stuff. Meaning; super leagues will be coming faster than most think.

 

[madguy30]

Unless it's a binding contract for 4 years and/or reimbursable if early exit to any paying entity, I consider it a waste of money. In other words, there are so many other areas of contribution / investment more crucial to this world than this. And, as if the cost of a college education isn't enough.
Sorry. It's just me venting my opinion on how this world has gotten so out-of-hand.
That said, as so many college coaches have already stated, this whole thing is going to blow up. Meaning; 'collectively' teams will want rules around this stuff. Meaning; super leagues will be coming faster than most think.

For basketball I would go 2 seasons unless they want to go pro.

Football 3.

But even that feels icky.

 

[ISU_Guy]

Maybe they can start to advertise really sad commercials like the sad adoption dog commercials or kids in africa. play sad music and show portions of the 2-22 basketball season. Then mention for $3 per day you can help sponsor a new point guard. that is kind of what the NIL has become for all these schools.

I am glad we are doing something or we will get left behind but I am a bit uneasy about all of this.

 

[madguy30]

Maybe they can start to advertise really sad commercials like the sad adoption dog commercials or kids in africa. play sad music and show portions of the 2-22 basketball season. Then mention for $3 per day you can help sponsor a new point guard. that is kind of what the NIL has become for all these schools.

I am glad we are doing something or we will get left behind.

Yeah full scollies and free Beats headphones if you make a bowl game are very similar to those dogs' situations.

ISU will be behind no matter like they always have what and I don't unerstand why that's not getting through.

'So you're OK with ISU going to Conference USA et al?'

No, but that threat was there with or without NIL, correct?

 

[cycloneML]

I’m not giving my money to a 17 year old kid lol. This is all ridiculous. If we’re gonna pay the kids, let’s just get rid of the amateurism lie and actually pay them as employees.

Exactly. The ADs and presidents at mid tier institutions like ISU were caught flat footed and the results will be devastating. A “liveable wage” solution where every one is paid the same would have worked for ISU. This doesn’t work for ISU.

 

[ISU_Guy]

Yeah full scollies and free Beats headphones if you make a bowl game are very similar to those dogs' situations.

ISU will be behind no matter like they always have what and I don't unerstand why that's not getting through.

'So you're OK with ISU going to Conference USA et al?'

No, but that threat was there with or without NIL, correct?

For the record I did say I am glad we are doing something, but we i just can't stand how college sports has basically legalized corruption. I understand we have no choice, but anyone that plays the tape forward 10 years knows where all this is going.
I had no problem with the NIL with some limits and policy. Maybe start with 150K max for example?


I don't think the conference realignment makes a difference with NIL or not. Texas and OU caused the alignment issue and will end up costing us a few million a year, but the conference is pretty good to go with the four additions.

The NIL is going to be whether you can field a team or not. and then fight to pay enough to keep those players if they are good. Why would you want to coach in that environment?

You are basically turning into a entry level professional league with no draft.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

-most people don't have a lot of disposable income sitting around. People are going to buy tickets (unless things get really bad) and those prices for those seats keep going up and the donation requirements increase.
So the average person only as "X" to donate. So if they typically donated "X" to ISU and/or something else, and then if they decide to donate $1000 to the NIL - I would imagine that $1000 is something they don't donate to somewhere else. Whether its taking their donation level down a notch or not giving as much to ISU or some charity. Something is getting less. This is really going to be battle for corporate and rich people.
But even that sucks because instead of some ISU Donor giving $1M towards a pressbox upgrade, they are now screwing around with NIL money that is high risk for ROI.

-Has anyone ever visited a church where some member got hurt or there is some sort of crisis or mission that needs help right away? The pastor gives the overview and then ushers start passing the plate around for a special offering to meet a need. That is what this feels like.

-I kind of hope you see a few examples of a guys like Tyrese going to a school like KU and just flopping and someone just eats 500k-1M on a player that doesn't pan out. (just using him as an example not wishing for it)

-I know it gets brought up, but what if the collective is $5M and hardly any goes to Women? Are we opening up potential law suits?

-I think this is going to be very cancerous in the locker rooms across the country. you are going to know publicly that some 5 star coming in is getting 300K and another player is getting a texas roadhouse gift card along with a scholly. Lets say the 5 star just doesn't produce and the other player becomes a "Brockington" this year.

You see this in the NBA, heck you see this at work sites all over the country that someone is getting paid more and sucks at their job.


I am just really sad that conference realignment, TV money, NIL has blown up stability, traditions and has really made a challenging job like ISU much more difficult IMO.

Why would there be lawsuits? The lawsuits can only be derived if you are taking government money and have to worry about everything being equal without discrimination. That risk does not occur with an outside entity that receives no government funds.

 

[GoldCy]

Why would there be lawsuits? The lawsuits can only be derived if you are taking government money and have to worry about everything being equal without discrimination. That risk does not occur with an outside entity that receives no government funds.

I believe the law actually states "equal opportunity." That morphed into =$$ very quickly so the lawyers could get theirs.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

I believe the law actually states "equal opportunity." That morphed into =$$ very quickly so the lawyers could get theirs.

I think we're talking about two different things. Title 9 is enforced against universities that take government dollars. To my knowledge, the collectives are not taking any government dollars; hence, there are no equality issues from the government.

Can a Collective say that they're going to share all their revenues equally? Of course they can. I doubt that happens though.

 

[GoldCy]

I think we're talking about two different things. Title 9 is enforced against universities that take government dollars. To my knowledge, the collectives are not taking any government dollars; hence, there are no equality issues from the government.

Can a Collective say that they're going to share all their revenues equally? Of course they can. I doubt that happens though.

Your correct. I was referring to T 9