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[Land Grant]

Can coaches leave for another job at any time, in any scenario, without penalty or limitation? They do all the time. And it doesn't matter if Bono is leaving right now. He is restricting a kid that isn't even getting probably 1/4 of his school paid for..if he wants to transfer to a big12 school he has to sit out a year..BUT at the same time, Bono could take a new job within the big12 and coach immediately if that school wanted him to.

So my question to you: Why does an 18-19 year old kid get punished for making a decision that will (at least in his mind) better his life/situation..but a 40-50 year old man can leave any time he wants for a bigger and better contract?

You have convinced me (I am quite serious). Coaches have the freedom to be little more than mercenaries at worst, and even the best intentioned of them can leave without penalty. Student athletes should not be treated differently. I have an outmoded sense (probably a fans' sense) of loyalty to institution. But that's not what college athletics is today.

I tip my hat to you, sir.

 

[Judoka]

Can coaches leave for another job at any time, in any scenario, without penalty or limitation? They do all the time. And it doesn't matter if Bono is leaving right now. He is restricting a kid that isn't even getting probably 1/4 of his school paid for..if he wants to transfer to a big12 school he has to sit out a year..BUT at the same time, Bono could take a new job within the big12 and coach immediately if that school wanted him to.

So my question to you: Why does an 18-19 year old kid get punished for making a decision that will (at least in his mind) better his life/situation..but a 40-50 year old man can leave any time he wants for a bigger and better contract?

I understand your viewpoint but the clear endpoint of that in an individual sport like wrestling is successful guys from smaller schools just transferring up to fill lineup holes at bigger schools, basically turning anybody outside the top 10 or so in to minor leagues. There really isn't a great solution fair to both students and the programs they committed to.

 

[Judoka]

Like imagine if Ohio State or Alabama could just call up David Montgomery and ask him to move over to them for next season.

 

[SimpsonCyclone]

Like imagine if Ohio State or Alabama could just call up David Montgomery and ask him to move over to them for next season.

That would suck. Big time. But I personally feel like David should have that right, just like Matt Campbell would.

 

[SimpsonCyclone]

And I think a sport like wrestling is an even better example than football. At least in football, you have a full ride. It "financially" doesn't help you to move to another program. But in wrestling, you could be a walk on, become an all-american and still be paying for all of your own college - if school X comes along and says "hey we could really use you in our 157 spot next year. We have a 50% scholly available for you" - I think I should have the right to not only better my current situation but also my future (less student loans) - Just like a coach or AD or college president has the right to do.

 

[CyGold]

OH! So you mean like coaches then.......

I hope you see the hypocrisy here.

Actually, I see it the other way. After reading a few articles on CMC contract the School is protected and would be paid IF the coach leaves. However, IF a recruit leaves after a year or two of collecting scholly money then nobody is paying the school back and the school is out on it's investment. I don't have a problem with the rules as they are today.

 

[SimpsonCyclone]

Protects the school but thats not the point.

Coaches can leave without penalty (yes, without penalty - hiring schools pay those buyouts, not the coach) while a kid that is maybe getting his books paid for, has to sit out a year and can't move onto a better situation like his coach, AD or President can do..

 

[CyGold]

And I think a sport like wrestling is an even better example than football. At least in football, you have a full ride. It "financially" doesn't help you to move to another program. But in wrestling, you could be a walk on, become an all-american and still be paying for all of your own college - if school X comes along and says "hey we could really use you in our 157 spot next year. We have a 50% scholly available for you" - I think I should have the right to not only better my current situation but also my future (less student loans) - Just like a coach or AD or college president has the right to do.

Actually, you could walk on in football and become an All American. IF the coach isn't smart enough to reward you with a scholly next year then that player can sure explore transfer options. Kyle Kempt is the most recent Walk On whom I can think of who has worked himself into an opportunity to prove himself.

 

[SimpsonCyclone]

Actually, you could walk on in football and become an All American. IF the coach isn't smart enough to reward you with a scholly next year then that player can sure explore transfer options. Kyle Kempt is the most recent Walk On whom I can think of who has worked himself into an opportunity to prove himself.

Like Baker Mayfield?

 

[CyGold]

I do agree with allowing someone who has not collected any scholarship $$ transfer at anytime to anywhere.

 

[Yellow Snow]

And I think a sport like wrestling is an even better example than football. At least in football, you have a full ride. It "financially" doesn't help you to move to another program. But in wrestling, you could be a walk on, become an all-american and still be paying for all of your own college - if school X comes along and says "hey we could really use you in our 157 spot next year. We have a 50% scholly available for you" - I think I should have the right to not only better my current situation but also my future (less student loans) - Just like a coach or AD or college president has the right to do.

That's a recruiting violation of Penn State proportions. You aren't supposed to "recruit" dudes already signed/at a different institution.

 

[buf87]

My biggest fear is if that happens. McKenna (Stanford) to Ohio State with no penalty, Campbell (Pitt) to Ohio State with no penalty, Lugo (Edinboro) to Iowa with no penalty, Bleise (Northern Illinois) to Minnesota with no penalty.

All of these guys were probably getting a decent scholarship and all have had some success(some more than others) and now all are at probably the top 10 wrestling schools.

When does Pitt, Edinboro, Northern Illinois decide to drop their wrestling program if all their successful kids can just leave?

 

[Judoka]

I do agree that the balance is tilted too far in favor of the schools right now. I just don't think open transfer season is the right solution. The amount of money involved nowadays makes it almost impossible to reconcile the interests of the student with the interests of programs. Doubly so in non headcount sports where most guys are still taking on loans even if they are on scholarship.

 

[brett108]

Actually, you could walk on in football and become an All American. IF the coach isn't smart enough to reward you with a scholly next year then that player can sure explore transfer options. Kyle Kempt is the most recent Walk On whom I can think of who has worked himself into an opportunity to prove himself.

One example of this is going to win the Heisman this year.

 

[SimpsonCyclone]

One example of this is going to win the Heisman this year.

And he had to miss a year of competition too. Even as a walk on, non scholarship player. I obviously don't want an open market, free transfer at anytime system either... but i think it is completely unjust that coaches can put restrictions on kids for not "keeping their word" and wanting to transfer to a better situation, but those same coaches can pack it up anytime, any day of the year for a better one

 

[VirginSturgeon]

And he had to miss a year of competition too. Even as a walk on, non scholarship player. I obviously don't want an open market, free transfer at anytime system either... but i think it is completely unjust that coaches can put restrictions on kids for not "keeping their word" and wanting to transfer to a better situation, but those same coaches can pack it up anytime, any day of the year for a better one

I agree with this whole statement. How do we discourage kids from not wanting to win a national title for a big school and also improve their situation if they can receive more scholarship money. Coaches have no rights to tell a student athlete which school they can or can not attend. Google articles by Jay Bilas on how schools and the NCAA manipulate these young people. People get blinded by school loyalty to the institutions we love.

 

[SimpsonCyclone]

That's a recruiting violation of Penn State proportions. You aren't supposed to "recruit" dudes already signed/at a different institution.

I understand that.......

What I am saying is, a school can do that with a coach...
"Hey coach, I know you have 4 years left on your contract and have recruited kids to compete for you and gave them your word...but we're offering you more money at a better program" = No problem - happens multiple times every year

Even though let's say in this scenario (2 weeks before the coach gets the new job offer), a wrestler for that coach wants to move next season to a better program and receive a bigger scholarship -- that same coach could put restrictions on where he can transfer and also not give him a full release to even compete the next year. But then that same coach can take a new job at a bigger program for more money...

 

[Sigmapolis]

I keep reading the thread title as "Purrito."

 

[Judoka]

My biggest fear is if that happens. McKenna (Stanford) to Ohio State with no penalty, Campbell (Pitt) to Ohio State with no penalty, Lugo (Edinboro) to Iowa with no penalty, Bleise (Northern Illinois) to Minnesota with no penalty.

All of these guys were probably getting a decent scholarship and all have had some success(some more than others) and now all are at probably the top 10 wrestling schools.

When does Pitt, Edinboro, Northern Illinois decide to drop their wrestling program if all their successful kids can just leave?

Or the situation Dresser walked in to at VT, where a couple of guys that the school was heavily committed to leaving was almost enough to shutter the program if the AD hadn't committed to keeping it around.

 

[Land Grant]

And I think a sport like wrestling is an even better example than football. At least in football, you have a full ride. It "financially" doesn't help you to move to another program. But in wrestling, you could be a walk on, become an all-american and still be paying for all of your own college - if school X comes along and says "hey we could really use you in our 157 spot next year. We have a 50% scholly available for you" - I think I should have the right to not only better my current situation but also my future (less student loans) - Just like a coach or AD or college president has the right to do.

My biggest fear is if that happens. McKenna (Stanford) to Ohio State with no penalty, Campbell (Pitt) to Ohio State with no penalty, Lugo (Edinboro) to Iowa with no penalty, Bleise (Northern Illinois) to Minnesota with no penalty.

All of these guys were probably getting a decent scholarship and all have had some success(some more than others) and now all are at probably the top 10 wrestling schools.

When does Pitt, Edinboro, Northern Illinois decide to drop their wrestling program if all their successful kids can just leave?

This my fear. Open migration of top athletes could increase the disparity between D1 wrestling programs—to the detriment of the sport. That said, Simpsonclone convinced me that the burden of managing this should not fall wholly on the athlete.