Possible Rule Changes

[SouthJerseyCy]

I think I like the 3pt TD, but time will tell.

I do not like the requirement for NF to get RT. I think the top wrestler should be rewarded if they control the bottom man for 1:59 seconds but bottom guy gets an escape with 1 second left. We could have issues with bottom guy conserving energy and just getting a push at the end of the period. Seems like the RT point won't come into play much at all if they are getting NF anyway...and maybe that's the goal. Wouldn't it be easier just to call stalling for a parallel ride like it used to be?

 

[cywr89]

So did the match end 4-2? At least it would go into OT and TD wins it. The main point is there are way too many matches were one person dominated on his feet with maybe 4-0 TD lead going into the 3rd with a score of 8-5. Then the other guy gets a TD and quick tilt to make 9-9. The score doesn’t match the dominance by the guy with 4 TDs. A similar scenario almost played out in the Yanni/Murin match.

 

[enisthemenace]

The 3 point TD comes into play for scenarios like Swiderski vs Woods. Swiderski wins this match 3-2. How many people were complaining that Swiderski was the only wrestler to score an offensive point but still loss 3-2. Bottom line is if you score more TDs than your opponent and the opponent doesn’t have more NF points than you, you should win. The new scoring will accomplish this 99% of the time.

It wasn’t the points awarded or not awarded that impacted the Swiderski/Woods match.

Swiderski was dinged for stalling while on bottom (Woods doing nothing to turn) and Woods was NOT dinged for stalling when he ran away from Swiderski after getting taken down.

 

[buf87]

So did the match end 4-2? At least it would go into OT and TD wins it. The main point is there are way too many matches were one person dominated on his feet with maybe 4-0 TD lead going into the 3rd with a score of 8-5. Then the other guy gets a TD and quick tilt to make 9-9. The score doesn’t match the dominance by the guy with 4 TDs. A similar scenario almost played out in the Yanni/Murin match.

Yes it did.

 

[buf87]

It wasn’t the points awarded or not awarded that impacted the Swiderski/Woods match.

Swiderski was dinged for stalling while on bottom (Woods doing nothing to turn) and Woods was NOT dinged for stalling when he ran away from Swiderski after getting taken down.

Agree. I have seen a lot worse stalling on bottom and not called and Woods was doing a parallel ride most the 2nd period.

 

[Land Grant]

I agree with stall calls. Ref needs to have some balls and call double stalls if neither is creating offense.

Frankly, training refs to aggressively, consistently, and accurately call stalling is the ONLY solution. A culture of stalling as strategy is far too prevalent in folkstyle. Those who use it will simply adapt their game to these new rules and little will change. While this may get wins, it does not make for enjoyable spectatorship nor IMO does it reward athletic excellence and training.

Someone said it a few pages back: get a think tank together and develop simple, hard and fast rules for stalling and double stalling. Then coach the hell outta the refs to use them. Once you have some disqualifications --and a few double disqualifications-- it will change. Or at least I hope so.

But realistically, I don't see this happening. Mostly because at first nobody will want it to seem like refs are deciding matches.

 

[buf87]

Agree. was it high school or college that is the score was 0-0 after 1, someone had to be called for stalling?

I don't have a problem with that. If both were fairly active and no points are scored (Rarely happens), give both a stall call to keep action going

 

[Mead For My Horses]

Agree. was it high school or college that is the score was 0-0 after 1, someone had to be called for stalling?

I don't have a problem with that. If both were fairly active and no points are scored (Rarely happens), give both a stall call to keep action going

Pretty sure that was college maybe 15-20 years ago. I liked it.

 

[Stevetasker]

Agree. was it high school or college that is the score was 0-0 after 1, someone had to be called for stalling?

I don't have a problem with that. If both were fairly active and no points are scored (Rarely happens), give both a stall call to keep action going

One of the things I like about the activity clock in fs. Someone is going on the clock if there’s no scoring at a set time.

 

[SouthJerseyCy]

Not sure if this was posted in this thread, but there is a group trying to start a professional wrestling league that has some interesting new rules. Some are kind of 'gimmicky' but I have to say I interested to watch it. Claw Wrestling League Rules

 

[WhizzerClone]

"Sudden Victory: Over/under body lock starting position"

Love to see it.

 

[crablegs]

Agree. was it high school or college that is the score was 0-0 after 1, someone had to be called for stalling?

I don't have a problem with that. If both were fairly active and no points are scored (Rarely happens), give both a stall call to keep action going

this is what freestyle does with the shot clock, and I agree it’s a good concept. Force some action.

The only thing I’d say is let’s not wait a whole period. Have the refs make a call half way through the first.

 

[VeloClone]

I originally liked the 3 point takedown and made still do, but think the required turn to get a riding time point may do the trick. Might not have as much boring top riding now and more releases.

With 8 points as a major decision yet, there is going to be a lot more MD with the 3 point takedown, I think. Also a point that was made was should a reversal have been changed to 3 points also. I can understand the logic.

It seems like the scores are going to be higher, but remains to be seen if the action is better.

This is a concern that I have. A reversal should be at least as valuable as a takedown, shouldn't it?

 

[ricochet]

This is a concern that I have. A reversal should be at least as valuable as a takedown, shouldn't it?

Most of you guys know a ton more about, and watch a ton more, wrestling than me so I might be totally wrong. But, it seems like reversals happen more often because the top guy gets in a bad position trying to turn the bottom guy than because of something the bottom guy initiates. If the ultimate goal is to pin the opponent then it kind of makes sense that a takedown is worth more than a reversal. A takedown, reversal, escape sequence now results in a 2 point lead instead of a one point lead but the wrestler who is behind can still take the lead by one with a takedown of their own.

 

[CyGold]

Most of you guys know a ton more about, and watch a ton more, wrestling than me so I might be totally wrong. But, it seems like reversals happen more often because the top guy gets in a bad position trying to turn the bottom guy than because of something the bottom guy initiates. If the ultimate goal is to pin the opponent then it kind of makes sense that a takedown is worth more than a reversal. A takedown, reversal, escape sequence now results in a 2 point lead instead of a one point lead but the wrestler who is behind can still take the lead by one with a takedown of their own.

This... If the top guy can go full send on a attempted turn and still maintain a lead in a slip situation then I think it will result in more aggressive top action.

 

[Ocy Docy]

For me, the worst parts of all sports are inactivity and subjectivity. I think mat wrestling might be made better by eliminating stall calls in that position, awarding a point for riding a particular amount of time (30, 45, 60 seconds), and then going back to neutral. This would incentivize the urgency to both escape or turn someone and would take the ref out of the equation. Maybe also shorten the leg ride from 5 to 3 seconds.
In neutral position, I agree entirely with getting rid of wrestling from your knees (although that would have eliminated Robles’ career). What also needs to be addressed is the value of mat control. Many wrestlers just push their opponents to the edge of the mat without ever taking a shot. If that is not stalling, then it needs to be quantified to be worth something without relying on the ref to award a stall call. Otherwise it’s stalling in itself.

 

[theshadow]

3-point takedown approved in wrestling - NCAA.org

The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel on Thursday approved making all wrestling takedowns worth 3 points, effective with the 2023-24 season.

www.ncaa.org

The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel on Thursday approved making all takedowns in wrestling worth 3 points, effective with the 2023-24 season.

Members of the Wrestling Rules Committee, which proposed the change, agreed that increasing the scoring for takedowns by an additional point will enhance the sport by rewarding offensive actions and risk-taking.

The committee also agreed there was a need to create a more appropriate point differential between takedowns and escapes and incentivize offense when competitors are in the neutral position.

Eliminating the hand-touch takedown also was approved by the panel. Rules committee members think demonstrating control is an important component of college wrestling, so it made sense to eliminate the hand-touch takedown in favor of a single requirement for all takedowns.

To help balance the new takedown scoring rule, there also are new requirements for the top wrestler to work toward a near fall or pin. A 3-point near-fall scoring component was added.

Previously, officials could award 2 or 4 points for near falls. The rationale for the rule change includes giving wrestlers a chance to be more creative in attempting to earn points.

Video review​

Panel members also approved a change to the coach's video review request.

The rule change provides the referee with the authority to confirm or overturn all calls or missed calls during a video review challenged sequence. For coach's challenges, the sequence is described as the time from the alleged error until the match is, or should have been, stopped by the referee.

Other rule changes​

• The first medical forfeit of a tournament will count as a loss on the wrestler's record. An exception will be if the medical forfeit occurs immediately after an injury default in a tournament.
• The penalty for a delayed coach's video review challenge request will be changed to a loss of the video review. Previously, it was a control-of-mat violation and 1-point deduction from the team total.
• Any true placement matches conducted in an event will not alter the final team score.
• Officials can let action continue after penalizing an illegal hold and not require a stoppage after imminent scoring finishes when the safety of wrestlers is not in danger.
• The current mandatory five-second count for the waist and ankle ride will be expanded to include all situations in which the top wrestler grasps the bottom wrestler's ankle.
• Weigh-in times across all competition types will be standardized to two hours or sooner before the start of competition. Previously, tournament weigh-ins were two hours or sooner, but dual meet weigh-ins were permitted only one hour or sooner before the start of competition.
• Weight certification for all schools will be permitted to start Sept. 1.

The rule limiting facial hair to no longer than half an inch has been eliminated.

 

[enisthemenace]

3-point takedown approved in wrestling - NCAA.org

The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel on Thursday approved making all wrestling takedowns worth 3 points, effective with the 2023-24 season.

www.ncaa.org

The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel on Thursday approved making all takedowns in wrestling worth 3 points, effective with the 2023-24 season.

Members of the Wrestling Rules Committee, which proposed the change, agreed that increasing the scoring for takedowns by an additional point will enhance the sport by rewarding offensive actions and risk-taking.

The committee also agreed there was a need to create a more appropriate point differential between takedowns and escapes and incentivize offense when competitors are in the neutral position.

Eliminating the hand-touch takedown also was approved by the panel. Rules committee members think demonstrating control is an important component of college wrestling, so it made sense to eliminate the hand-touch takedown in favor of a single requirement for all takedowns.

To help balance the new takedown scoring rule, there also are new requirements for the top wrestler to work toward a near fall or pin. A 3-point near-fall scoring component was added.

Previously, officials could award 2 or 4 points for near falls. The rationale for the rule change includes giving wrestlers a chance to be more creative in attempting to earn points.

Video review​

Panel members also approved a change to the coach's video review request.

The rule change provides the referee with the authority to confirm or overturn all calls or missed calls during a video review challenged sequence. For coach's challenges, the sequence is described as the time from the alleged error until the match is, or should have been, stopped by the referee.

Other rule changes​

• The first medical forfeit of a tournament will count as a loss on the wrestler's record. An exception will be if the medical forfeit occurs immediately after an injury default in a tournament.
• The penalty for a delayed coach's video review challenge request will be changed to a loss of the video review. Previously, it was a control-of-mat violation and 1-point deduction from the team total.
• Any true placement matches conducted in an event will not alter the final team score.
• Officials can let action continue after penalizing an illegal hold and not require a stoppage after imminent scoring finishes when the safety of wrestlers is not in danger.
• The current mandatory five-second count for the waist and ankle ride will be expanded to include all situations in which the top wrestler grasps the bottom wrestler's ankle.
• Weigh-in times across all competition types will be standardized to two hours or sooner before the start of competition. Previously, tournament weigh-ins were two hours or sooner, but dual meet weigh-ins were permitted only one hour or sooner before the start of competition.
• Weight certification for all schools will be permitted to start Sept. 1.

The rule limiting facial hair to no longer than half an inch has been eliminated.

Thanks @theshadow

I thought there was a specific thread for these rule changes, but couldn’t find it when I briefly perused the forum.

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

So there is only a 3 point near fall now and no 2 and 4 point? Or 3 point in addition to the 2 and 4?

 

[theshadow]

So there is only a 3 point near fall now and no 2 and 4 point? Or 3 point in addition to the 2 and 4?

2, 3, and 4. Swipes = points.