Compared to the roasting CSP took on this board in February and March, it's nice to see someone outside of Ames say he's doing just fine with a 'B' grade.
Prohm gets a B from CBS Sports...
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That's his point. Making the tournament 3 out of 4 years (with a 4, 5 and 6 seed), with a Sweet 16 appearance and 2 conference tournament championships is pretty darn good. Because of some fan's perceptions though, it's being deemed as barely above average.
B grade is totally fair here. He's keep the program successful, but I think anyone looking at the program would see that they left a number of wins on the table.
The fanbase had no impact of the play of the team on the court. Fans being butthurt over Fred didn't make Niang, Morris, Thomas, Burton, Naz, et. al. Lesser players. I am a Prohm fan, and I think he will be a good coach here for a long time. But lets not pretend he was in some kind of terribly difficult situation when he took the job. He was in a tremendous position to succeed when he took the job. About as good as any coach could hope for.
Also, I dont buy the narrative that the fanbase has been particularly hard on Prohm. Some of you spend way too much time on this board where the lunatic fringe is loudest. The fanbase overall has been pretty supportive of Prohm since he got here. I will admit last year the amount of criticism wasn't warranted based on the overall success of the team, but that's the first year I would say that's the case. I just do not buy the fanbase is a hindrance to his success on the court. On the contrary, I would say it's a huge plus and has provided a home court advantage in games as well as a recruiting advantage.
I don't understand how you count 6 years when it takes 4 years to be a 4 year guy. I'd say Fred averaged one 4 year guy per year. And even there, Naz and Thomas really became major contributors under Prohm.
Prohm is probably a little behind Fred's pace at 4 year contributors as his first two recruiting classes haven't turned out great. The bottom line is Haliburton, Conditt, Lewis, and Griffin are going to make or break Prohm's long-term success at ISU.
Its frustrating that Prohm left so many wins on the table. None of our other coaches did that.
Cmon, I'd give fred a C+ if we're debating wins left on the table. He should've had 2 regular season b12 championships and at least 2-3 elite eights!
Cmon, I'd give fred a C+ if we're debating wins left on the table. He should've had 2 regular season b12 championships and at least 2-3 elite eights!
The first team was a 7 man roster, sometimes 6, with exactly one true post player. Naz struggled to play through December waiting for Deonte to become eligible, but was a shell of himself.
Hallice Cooke had to get run because there was no depth.
The second year, was supposed to be a completely new roster, sans Deonte and Matt. Monte didn’t get the feedback from the scouts he wanted, so he came back. Naz should have graduated the year before, but the hip caused him to redshirt. The core of that team could have easily been halved.
So, no, those first two teams weren’t necessarily set up for success.
Arguably the best team in ISU history was a 7 man roster with little post depth. The one true post player is a dumb argument for a whole host of reasons I'm not going to dig in to. There is no arguing that his first years roster was a new coaches dream come true. As for year 2, who cares what was "supposed" to happen. He had one of the best guard courts in the country and a dynamic player in Burton. Not as good of a team as year 1, but still really good. For a new coach he was set up extremely well. That's not an opinion, it's an objective fact. It is no where close to a lie.
I'm done discussing this. I think Prohm has been a fine coach and his best years at ISU are still ahead of him. You can go on believing he had a tremendous rebuilding job to do, even though I can tell your opinion is totally colored by some defense of Prohm in the great Hoiberg v Prohm debate. I dont view the basketball program through that lense.
Fair. I'm pretty happy with the job he's done. The only other candidate for the job (that I can recall) who I might have been happier to get was Brad Underwood.
But I can't argue with how things have turned out. Other than the one down year Prohm's teams have been competitive, tourney-caliber, and had their fair share of successes and accomplishments. And the program has a coach who by all accounts wants to be here for the long haul.
But I can't argue with how things have turned out. Other than the one down year Prohm's teams have been competitive, tourney-caliber, and had their fair share of successes and accomplishments. And the program has a coach who by all accounts wants to be here for the long haul.
I agree with wjat the article has to say. Right now for ISU, we aren't a blue blood. It is about getting the most out of what you have. The perfect mix might be the Niang, Monte, Kane type of class. Where doing their best as a team is what matters. Putting a group of NBA picks on the floor might not be the best for ISU until we can get a group of all NBA picks. Are they playing for ISU or themselves is a good question to ask.
I think what really blew up the perception of Prohm getting a hard time from the fans, were the losses at home. ISU fans really pride themselves on Hilton Magic. . Had those losses happened on the road, I don't think you'd have had nearly the amount of backlash.
I think what really blew up the perception of Prohm getting a hard time from the fans, were the losses at home. ISU fans really pride themselves on Hilton Magic. . Had those losses happened on the road, I don't think you'd have had nearly the amount of backlash.
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And how would our fanbase react to the season he had given their expectations? 12 and 21?
You know, honestly, at times, a leader uses what he is dealt with, and quite frankly, at times we had players on the court that didn't look like they gave a crap about winning at times. No matter how hard you work as a leader to motivate players, it really felt like some were at times more focused on their game than the team winning.
I was bothered by some players playing way too much 1-on-1 and ignoring open shooters, and players taking defense off, sometimes so worried about not getting a call, that they got beat repeatedly down the floor by the other team. This is what bothered me the most this year. I don't know how many times I wanted to scream at Lard, THT, or Wig to shut up and get your butt back on defense.
This team played up and down to the competition, which is really hard for fans.
In the end, I think ISU is much better off with lower-rated 4 year players, versus higher-rated 1 or 2 year players.
I was bothered by some players playing way too much 1-on-1 and ignoring open shooters, and players taking defense off, sometimes so worried about not getting a call, that they got beat repeatedly down the floor by the other team. This is what bothered me the most this year. I don't know how many times I wanted to scream at Lard, THT, or Wig to shut up and get your butt back on defense.
This team played up and down to the competition, which is really hard for fans.
In the end, I think ISU is much better off with lower-rated 4 year players, versus higher-rated 1 or 2 year players.
B seems fair, B+ probably would have too. He's left some games on the table in the tourney but has still maintained what the program.
His only real struggles have been grad transfer recruiting, his second season was successful but an average p5 big over Holden could have made that team special and the Brase/Beverly combo (plus injuries)made that season a rebuild. Tally is his best GT, he's solid but was a non factor this year, you could argue none of the other 3 were big 12 caliber players.
The scholarship mess he inherited gave him a pass for the rebuild in 17/18, he's partially responsible but it was what it was. The next 2 seasons are where we will really have idea where he has the program. There is no excuse for any kind of a rebuild next season, its on him.
His only real struggles have been grad transfer recruiting, his second season was successful but an average p5 big over Holden could have made that team special and the Brase/Beverly combo (plus injuries)made that season a rebuild. Tally is his best GT, he's solid but was a non factor this year, you could argue none of the other 3 were big 12 caliber players.
The scholarship mess he inherited gave him a pass for the rebuild in 17/18, he's partially responsible but it was what it was. The next 2 seasons are where we will really have idea where he has the program. There is no excuse for any kind of a rebuild next season, its on him.
It was said in another thread too, and I agree to a point. I think you have to build with the 4 year guys and then your sprinkle in the one and two year guys to push a team to the next level.
Seems like I'm stating the obvious, but if we would have had THT or Wigg on an established team I think the results would have been much different.
