Quarterback Situation
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Since you obviously feel as though Rhoads is not being held accountable, why don't you share with us what in your mind should be done with him to meet your expecations of being held accountable? With the way you constructed your last post, I can only believe that your version of being held accountable would be to fire him. Not sure many Cyclone fans would agree with that course of action. So, if you were Jamie Pollard, what would you be doing to hold him accountable and how do you know that Jamie Pollard hasn't already been holding him accountable?
Your constant blither about everything bad about the Cyclone footbal team is growing very tired.
Yes. Rhoads fired Mess and others are no longer here as well. We have upgraded with Mangino and the others IMO.
Rhoads held himself accountable for hiring Mess and the others. Changes have been made. Rhoads is STILL the best coach for the Iowa State Football program. Those calling for his firing are nuts. The Cyclones are a very young team. 2014 season will be a .500 season at best IMO. I look for more success in 2015, and feel that a pretty good season will be had.
Actually, whether you believe me or not, I don't think he should be fired. Not yet. I've said before that I like the guy. He's an Iowan, and he wants to be here. That's a big deal. I would love to see him succeed. I think he deserves this season. My opinion on his future outside of that depends on how this season goes. If his team wins less than 4 games yet again this year then I don't see any reason why he should be kept. I don't know of any major school in the country who would put up with 6 straight years of digressing without making a change with their head coach.
My posts have more to do with the overall attitude of a section of Cyclone fans who choose to pretend like Rhoads is still some sort of white knight. When you actually get them to address his status directly they say "Well ya things need to change", but when you read or hear a lot of what's being said they almost NEVER lay any blame at Rhoads' feet. That's because they want so badly to believe he's the guy who is going to get it done. When in reality there is not many signs pointing to that being the case.
Here's an analogy for ya... Let's pretend this is the stock market and guys like Luth4Cy are brokers. If the Cyclone program is a stock they would probably be buying shares up right now. At the very least they'd be holding their shares because they have an emotional tie in to the success of the company (which is never a good thing in the stock market). You can't become emotionally invested in a stock because then you make bad decisions when all signs are pointing to sell. If the Cyclone "stock" were analyzed on a chart it would be steadily declining since Rhoads took over as CEO. The attrition on this years defense was a major blow to the near future prospects of the company. There are very few signs you can point to that give good reason to believe things are going to level off or trend back upwards. If you were a good stock broker you would sell now and then stay the hell away from it. You wouldn't be coming up with excuses for the reason things are the way they are. You wouldn't be creating faux pretenses like "If only we were still in the B12 North". You'd be saying "Look it doesn't matter why we are here, but we are here. It's time to sell".
My opinion is that it does not look like things are going to improve anytime soon. I don't understand this mentality where people try to explain away the facts.
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You are ridiculous. You kept stating that Rhoads has not been held accountable. You still never answered how you would hold him accountable. All you said was that he should not be fired. You gave no specifics to back up your position on accountability for his performance through last year. Then you stated he should be fired if he only wins 4 games this year after just saying you didn't think he needed to be fired.
Furthermore, there is absolutely no basis for stating that ISU has been declining for 6 straight years. We all understand last year was a step back. With your logic Kirk Ferentz would also be in the same boat. Since 2009 when they were 11-2 his teams have performed worse three out of four years. Hm.....wonder if Kirk is the right guy to lead the Hawks???
Your stock analogy is terrible. If you personally were a stock I would be shorting you big time.
Go away.
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1. He's not held accountable by the majority of Cyclone fans. He's untouchable. That's what doesn't make sense to me given his results. I don't need to give specifics. Just read a bunch of posts around here. By and large he is not held accountable.
2. Absolutely no basis for stating ISU has been declining for 6 straight years!? Really!? How bout this for a basis: 7-6, 5-7, 6-7, 6-7, 3-9. Now put that in a chart and tell me what general direction the line goes.
3. You can't even logically compare Ferentz to Rhoads. It doesn't work so lets not even go there. Ferentz has accomplished way more. He's shown what he can do, and his program is absolutely trending back upwards.
Shocking another hawk fan that signs up here, claims he's a fan of ISU too, then goes on to rant and tell me how much ISU sucks. This is why I hate the off season, too many people have too much time on their hands.
Great ... Richardson like a lot of very good ISU QBs ruined by lousy line play. SAD.
My apologies man. I just enjoy the debate, and I can absolutely agree with you about the offseason. Debating is about the only thing you can do this time of year.
Btw... the helmets in your avatar are pretty sweet. Is ISU going to be wearing one of them this year?
Six straight years? Why did you only include five seasons of records? Why did you eliminate the 2-10 season from the year before he took over?
How many times in ISU's history has the school been to 3 bowl games in five seasons? Just an FYI ISU doesn't get the advantage of playing a weak Big 10 schedule. ISU has faced top ten schedules virtually every year Paul Rhoads has been at ISU.
Furthermore, how many coaches at ISU won a game at Nebraska, at Texas and against the number 2 team in the nation?
Record is not the only indicator of program status, because if it was your HocEyes would be held in the same regard. 11-2, 8-5, 7-6, 4-8, 8-5. Logically, it makes every sense in the world to use your analogy against you for this argument. Chart that one pal. If Iowa has another losing season this year (and you can't prove/say they won't) then by your logic Ferentz should be fired.
1. I was talking about Cyclone fans holding him accountable. When you assumed I thought he should be fired I explained to you I'd give him this year to prove what he can do. I think Pollard should give him this season to prove things are moving forward.
2. Here you go making excuses again. I'm looking at the forest and you're looking at the trees. We can talk details all you want, but the bottom line is things are trending downwards.
3. Record is the only indicator of program status! What's funny about your comparison to Ferentz is the numbers. I said in my previous post that you can't make this comparison for a reason. You're attempting to make it seem like ISU's seasons are comparable to Iowa when the most wins ISU has had in that time frame is 7 and the most wins Iowa has had is 11. Not to mention two 8 wins seasons in there. You can't compare an 11 and two 8 win seasons to a 7 and two 6 win seasons. That's a joke. Not to mention you apparently don't understand basic math if you are honestly trying to tell me to chart Iowa's progress. Do you understand that going from a 4 win season to an 8 win season would be a line going up (Iowa)? Do you understand that going from a 6 win season to a 3 win season would be trending down (ISU)? Maybe you could have made this argument before last season, but certainly not after. Ferentz turned things around while Rhoads crashed and burned. Plus consider the fact Iowa has one of the easiest schedules they've had in a long time and there is quite a few reasons to believe things will continue on an upward trajectory in Iowa City.
It's quite humorous that you used the terms "logically" and "intelligent" in your post when the content of it was anything but.
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Spoke by the fool that believes 2-10, 7-6, 5-7, 6-7, 6-7 and 3-9 equates to 6 straight years of decline.
Dude....you are an absolute blithering idiot. I used the terms logically and intelligent to play exactly on your comments, but your arguments (they are not debates) are not in fact logical and intelligent. I am sure almost every poster on this board will agree with me that for four years prior to last year ISU's program was trending up and at worst staying status quo. One year does not make a trend. Now if it continues this year, then it would be a logical argument. But you and I both know this year hasn't been played yet, so this argument has no basis to continue. That is why I suggested to you that IF the HocEyes have a bad year this year that perhaps Ferentz should be fired. Not because I think he should, but to solely point out the hypocrisy of your argument. It is you my friend that doesn't understand what you are arguing. I think it would be best to go back to your HocEye board and debate folks about something you know and love, Hawkeye football. But for you to continue to post on this board would be nothing more than an argumentative exercise that is growing incredibly tired.
I have no respect for you and your hypocritic arguments any longer and I am confident that most posters here have had enough of you and will no longer respond to your drivel. Goodbye.
At least you are making some valid points. I totally understand the reason Rhoads brought some enthusiasm into the fan base. Two years ago he had things rolling in the right direction. It's what has happened since then that is discouraging.
I will agree that ISU's schedule has consistently been more difficult than Iowa's. That's an excuse though. It doesn't change anything. Results are what matter, and if you don't get them no one is going to listen to your excuses. Adapt or perish was a recent thread title right? Rhoads has got to adapt quickly or his leash is going to tighten.
Texas and Nebraska aren't what they used to be. You know that and I know that. Besides the fact Nebraska handed ISU like 6 turnovers in that game. Texas didn't even have a single player drafted this past weekend. Oklahoma, Okie State, and Baylor have been the better teams in recent history. Keep beating that drum though...
2015 season will be the big one IMO. Things are setting up pretty well for that season. I don't know why a logical person would not give at least 2 years for the new offensive staff in place now. WHY are you only focusing on giving 1 year to prove themselves?
A couple years without improvement, and then a complete freefall does make a trend. A trend in the downward direction.
To the bolded... let's just agree to wait and see what happens. Then we can discuss this at a later time. For the record, I have a feeling this season is going to be quite ugly in Ames.
I won't push the discussion any further.
To clarify, I don't think Rhoads should get two more years, but I do think he will be given them. I understand the argument that it is deserved because of the new offensive staff. My opinion on an additional season really depends on how this season goes. If they win 4-6 games and show signs of getting their traction back then I totally understand giving him another season to build on that. If less than 4 wins are accomplished and the wheels come off again then I think enough is enough.
Well the majority of us feel otherwise. And WE are the season ticket holders and the donors to ISU athletics. UNTIL you make the same commitment that those of us who actually financially support ISU football then your opinions will be filed in the appropriate place where they belong.
IF YOU PAY YOU GET A SAY.
We don't have to rebound to an earth shattering season or anything. But I think you're sticking your head in the sand if you think that another year like last year would be accepted by anyone. If we go 3-9 with multiple blowouts again this year I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Rhoads himself was gone. You don't hire an old experienced guy like Mangino with the expectation that it will take him multiple seasons to get things moving. If we aren't at least 5-7 this year and competitive in most of our losses I'll be extremely disappointed. Anything short of a decent season this year and the fanbase is going to evaporate.
