Question for ISU fans...
- Thread starter Sammy11
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2000>2002>2005>2004>2010>2009>2001
I find it difficult to compare the different eras, maybe the memories make those teams seem better. Also I know it is blasphemous to put any ISU team over a Seneca lead team.
2000 was the best. Sage and company were one good team.
2005 The team was seriously almost undefeated, but we didn't get the breaks we needed. Missed field goals, Chase Daniels, fumbles going into the endzone. Trademark of a Dan McCarney team--- We couldn't get over the hump.
2001- Seneca led team. Didn't have to carry the team like in 2002 and actually had a line still along with a running game.
2004- Very young team. Showed a lot of potential but peaked in 2005 instead of Jr and Sr seasons.
2009- I put this team ahead of Seneca's sr year because the team played as one. They had a good defense for the most part. Very blue collar with Jesse Smith. Went to a bowl game with absolutely zero expectations.
2002- Yeah they beat Iowa, and Seneca did stay inbounds against FSU, but this team died and died quickly. Being ranked all the way up to #9 or something and falling completely off the radar. OU killed us along with Texas. We couldn't even beat U-Conn who was in their second year of D1 football I think, or maybe first. We had no running game, no defense, no line. It was a complete disaster. Our best running back was Hiawatha Rutland. That should tell you something.
2010- Team was close to beating KSU. Stayed close to Missouri with Tiller starting and a deflated team after the CU beating. Slaughtered by Utah and OU, but still came back and beat Texas Tech and Texas. Really believed this team should of pulled out 2 more wins.
Am I the only one who thought the 2010 squad was actually better than the 09 squad?
Nope, I'm with you. 2010 would have beaten 2009 head to head. Really, they had the same core of players minus Jesse Smith.
I think the 2010 squad was better than '09 and '04.
They played a MUCH tougher schedule than either of those squads and were very close to matching their regular season win totals. In '04, yeah, we won 7 games but we beat 2 teams that finished w/winning records and they both came out of the MAC. I know we only beat 2 teams with winning records in 2010 as well, but we beat Texas on the road, beat a MAC team that finished the season ranked, and played very close games against ranked Nebraska and Missouri teams. In 2004, we only had one good game against a better team, and that was Iowa.
They played a MUCH tougher schedule than either of those squads and were very close to matching their regular season win totals. In '04, yeah, we won 7 games but we beat 2 teams that finished w/winning records and they both came out of the MAC. I know we only beat 2 teams with winning records in 2010 as well, but we beat Texas on the road, beat a MAC team that finished the season ranked, and played very close games against ranked Nebraska and Missouri teams. In 2004, we only had one good game against a better team, and that was Iowa.
I thought the 05 team was the best of the bunch. At least from a talent standpoint. Not taking anything away from 2000 but that team took some beatings against quality opponents. The 05 defense was probably as good as it can get at Iowa State. Combine that with adequate offensive line play, some solid receivers, and Bret Meyer playing out of his mind and you get a good team. The only issue with that team was running back play and the kicker. Hicks was injured quite a bit and we didn't have much behind him.
Greg Coleman......smh
The real match up would be the 03 team vs the 08 team.
Greg Coleman......smh
The real match up would be the 03 team vs the 08 team.
The real match up would be the 03 team vs the 08 team.
Ha, no joke. Id like to think the 08 team could somewhat slow down that vaunted 03 offense. :swoon:...but you never know.
First and last are no brainers in my mind. The 2000 team is superior in almost every objective catagory you can imagine. They also win subjectively in my mind. The 2010 team finished with a losing record, enough said. I also thought #2 and #6 were fairly easy to notch also. The middle three could easily be debated and switched about in my opinion. What do you think?
My ranking of ISU Football teams of the last decade ...
1. 2000
Overall record: 9-3
Big 12 record: 5-3
Bowl game: Insight.com Bowl Champions over Pittsburgh
First Team All-Conference Players: (3) Ben Bruns, Ennis Haywood, J.J. Moses
NFL Draft Picks: (4) Reggie Hayward, 3rd-01; Sage Rosenfels, 4th-01; James Reed 7th-01; Mike Banks 7th-02
Average computer ranking: 26th
2. 2005
Overall record: 7-5
Big 12 record: 4-4
Bowl game: Lost Houston Bowl vs. TCU
First Team All-Conference Players: (3) Todd Blythe, Nick Leaders, LaMarcus Hicks
Future NFL Draft Picks: (3) Tim Dobbins, 5th-06; Alvin Bowen, 5th-08; Aaron Brandt, 7th-07
Average computer ranking: 37th
3. 2001
Overall record: 7-5
Big 12 record: 4-4
Bowl game: Lost Independence Bowl vs. Alabama
First Team All-Conference Players: (1) Ennis Haywood
NFL Draft Picks: (3) Ellis Hobbs, 3rd-05; Seneca Wallace, 4th-03; Mike Banks 7th-02
Average computer ranking: 49th
4. 2004
Overall record: 7-5
Big 12 record: 4-4
Bowl game: Independence Bowl Champions over Miami Univ.
First Team All-Conference Players: (1) Ellis Hobbs
Future NFL Draft Picks: (3) Ellis Hobbs, 3rd-05; Tim Dobbins, 5th-06; Aaron Brandt, 7th-07
Average computer ranking: 47th
5. 2002
Overall record: 7-7
Big 12 record: 4-4
Bowl game: Lost Humanitarian Bowl vs. Boise State
First Team All-Conference Players: (1) Adam Benike
Future NFL Draft Picks: (3) Ellis Hobbs, 3rd-05; Seneca Wallace, 4th-03; Aaron Brandt, 7th-07
Average computer ranking: 53rd
6. 2009
Overall record: 7-6
Big 12 record: 3-5
Bowl game: Insight Bowl Champions over Minnesota
First Team All-Conference Players: (1) Jesse Smith
Future NFL Draft Picks: (1) Reggie Stevens, 7th-10
Average computer ranking: 65th
7. 2010
Overall record: 5-7
Big 12 record: 3-5
Bowl game: none
First Team All-Conference Players: none
Future NFL Draft Picks: N/A
Average computer ranking: 77th
My ranking of ISU Football teams of the last decade ...
1. 2000
Overall record: 9-3
Big 12 record: 5-3
Bowl game: Insight.com Bowl Champions over Pittsburgh
First Team All-Conference Players: (3) Ben Bruns, Ennis Haywood, J.J. Moses
NFL Draft Picks: (4) Reggie Hayward, 3rd-01; Sage Rosenfels, 4th-01; James Reed 7th-01; Mike Banks 7th-02
Average computer ranking: 26th
2. 2005
Overall record: 7-5
Big 12 record: 4-4
Bowl game: Lost Houston Bowl vs. TCU
First Team All-Conference Players: (3) Todd Blythe, Nick Leaders, LaMarcus Hicks
Future NFL Draft Picks: (3) Tim Dobbins, 5th-06; Alvin Bowen, 5th-08; Aaron Brandt, 7th-07
Average computer ranking: 37th
3. 2001
Overall record: 7-5
Big 12 record: 4-4
Bowl game: Lost Independence Bowl vs. Alabama
First Team All-Conference Players: (1) Ennis Haywood
NFL Draft Picks: (3) Ellis Hobbs, 3rd-05; Seneca Wallace, 4th-03; Mike Banks 7th-02
Average computer ranking: 49th
4. 2004
Overall record: 7-5
Big 12 record: 4-4
Bowl game: Independence Bowl Champions over Miami Univ.
First Team All-Conference Players: (1) Ellis Hobbs
Future NFL Draft Picks: (3) Ellis Hobbs, 3rd-05; Tim Dobbins, 5th-06; Aaron Brandt, 7th-07
Average computer ranking: 47th
5. 2002
Overall record: 7-7
Big 12 record: 4-4
Bowl game: Lost Humanitarian Bowl vs. Boise State
First Team All-Conference Players: (1) Adam Benike
Future NFL Draft Picks: (3) Ellis Hobbs, 3rd-05; Seneca Wallace, 4th-03; Aaron Brandt, 7th-07
Average computer ranking: 53rd
6. 2009
Overall record: 7-6
Big 12 record: 3-5
Bowl game: Insight Bowl Champions over Minnesota
First Team All-Conference Players: (1) Jesse Smith
Future NFL Draft Picks: (1) Reggie Stevens, 7th-10
Average computer ranking: 65th
7. 2010
Overall record: 5-7
Big 12 record: 3-5
Bowl game: none
First Team All-Conference Players: none
Future NFL Draft Picks: N/A
Average computer ranking: 77th
I agree that 2000 is top of the heap of these teams. 2001, 2005, 2002, 2009, 2010,... All had moments of triumph, all had typical ISU pain. Sage and the guys bringing home the first bowl win, and being there to see it...priceless. :yes:
Look a little bit beyond records. 2010 > 2009 hands down. I don't care how bad Texas was, we beat them in their home. A foot away from beating Nebraska. An over thrown pass for a shot at beating KSU. The 09 team didn't have to play Texas or Oklahoma.
Wasn't it clear just watching the games that last years team was better than the previous? Maybe that's just me.
I'll buy into that. I remember that prior to last season, there were a number of people saying that the team might be better overall, but they might take a step back in terms of wins and losses because of the tougher schedule. I think that was the case, which is good. It means that the program is steadily improving under CPR and not regressing. The trick for next season will be learning how to win those close games, because the schedule isn't going to get easier any time soon.
I think the 2010 team beats the 2009 team by two touchdowns if they played. I agree, just watching the 2010 team on the field I could tell they were better than the 09 squad.
My outsider opinion:
1: 2005- Best defense of the bunch with Meyer & Blythe keeping the offense up.
2: 2000- Strong offense but the D was a liability.
3: 2001- Similar to 01 but with Seneca Wallace picking up the slack from graduation losses
4: 2002- Best record in a year ISU faced both UT and OU. Wallace & his WR carried this team that otherwise would be struggling
5: 2010- Tough slate with Iowa, UT, OU, Mizzou, and Nebraska all strong.
6: 2004- Young talent + Ellis Hobbs > 2009 team.
7: 2009- Slightly worse than 10' despite the nostalgia of memorable Nebraska and bowl wins.
1: 2005- Best defense of the bunch with Meyer & Blythe keeping the offense up.
2: 2000- Strong offense but the D was a liability.
3: 2001- Similar to 01 but with Seneca Wallace picking up the slack from graduation losses
4: 2002- Best record in a year ISU faced both UT and OU. Wallace & his WR carried this team that otherwise would be struggling
5: 2010- Tough slate with Iowa, UT, OU, Mizzou, and Nebraska all strong.
6: 2004- Young talent + Ellis Hobbs > 2009 team.
7: 2009- Slightly worse than 10' despite the nostalgia of memorable Nebraska and bowl wins.
