Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[Kinch]

You're not kidding, that's a lot of manual typing.

We have an OCR reader in our pdf software; I will see if I print, scan to pdf, and then OCR, if that will turn it into a spreadsheet.

Interesting if you look at that and compare Iowa with Big 12 schools and extrapolate that to conference championships. Iowa vs. Michigan (conference championship) drew 11 million, Iowa vs. Illinois drew 600,000, Indiana vs. Michigan drew 2.6 million. That means the 11 million that watched the Big 10 champiolnship, were concerned only about Michigan, not Iowa. Compare that to Baylor vs. OSU, over 8 million. Be interesting if the big 10 didn't have either MU or OSU in the championship what that would do for their ratings. Another amazing thing is what BYU adds to the ratings and that there are several combination of games that the Big 12 offers besides OU and Tex that would beat several Big 10 combinations involving Michigan.

 

[Daserop]

This talking point isn’t terribly accurate.

Washington was 4-8 last year. They averaged >62k at home last year.

They closed out the season in the Apple Cup against a 6-5 Wazzu in front of >68k.

Oregon mostly filled Autzen last year. They played Utah in the Pac-12 title game in front of a healthy 56k in Las Vegas. For comparison, OU vs. Oregon in the Alamo Bowl was 59k.

I see someone is cherry picking.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Interesting if you look at that and compare Iowa with Big 12 schools and extrapolate that to conference championships. Iowa vs. Michigan (conference championship) drew 11 million, Iowa vs. Illinois drew 600,000, Indiana vs. Michigan drew 2.6 million. That means the 11 million that watched the Big 10 champiolnship, were concerned only about Michigan, not Iowa. Compare that to Baylor vs. OSU, over 8 million. Be interesting if the big 10 didn't have either MU or OSU in the championship what that would do for their ratings. Another amazing thing is what BYU adds to the ratings and that there are several combination of games that the Big 12 offers besides OU and Tex that would beat several Big 10 combinations involving Michigan.

You can't make any of those assumptions based off those numbers and examples.

It's nothing more than a lazy dig at Iowa.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

BYU is in the late window time zone. Little to no competition in that window.

BYU versus Iowa St is a lot more appealing than ASU versus Washington St. Hardly anyone cares about football in the PAC.

JFC I am not going to make it all day drinking to watch a late night ISU BYU game.

 

[Showtimeljs]

I see someone is apple picking.

FIFY

 

[Gunnerclone]

JFC I am not going to make it all day drinking to watch a late night ISU BYU game.

The key is to drink so much on Friday that you don’t wake up until 4pm on Saturday. The “all-day” window is completely dependent on your variables.

 

[Daserop]

This talking point isn’t terribly accurate.

Washington was 4-8 last year. They averaged >62k at home last year.

They closed out the season in the Apple Cup against a 6-5 Wazzu in front of >68k.

Oregon mostly filled Autzen last year. They played Utah in the Pac-12 title game in front of a healthy 56k in Las Vegas. For comparison, OU vs. Oregon in the Alamo Bowl was 59k.

Cool. I can do that too.

Average attendance at Autzen in 2021: 49,468 @ 91.6% stadium capacity. Overall records 10-4
Average attendance at Jack Trice in 2021: 60,704 @ 98.7%. Overall record. 7-6

Sources:

Jack Trice Stadium - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Autzen Stadium - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

ISU Led Big 12 in Percentage Capacity During 2021 Football Season

Iowa State ranked 6th nationally in stadium capacity filled percentage, averaging an attendance of 98.7% of Jack Trice’s capacity. That is also the highest percentage of capacity in the Big 12, followed by Baylor who ranked 9th nationally with 98.1%. It’s a well-known fact that Ames, Iowa, is...

www.heartlandcollegesports.com

 

[Kinch]

JFC I am not going to make it all day drinking to watch a late night ISU BYU game.

So what did you do In the 2019 Iowa - Iowa State game that was weather delayed to almost making it a night game?

 

[snowcraig2.0]

So what did you do In the 2019 Iowa - Iowa State game that was weather delayed to almost making it a night game?

I'd rather not say.

 

[JM4CY]

I'd rather not say.

I did see a guy carted through the lots on a stretcher who apparently passed out. Was that you?

 

[psychlone99]

The thing that cracks me up with this whole "debate" is who are they trying to convince??? This is all a bunch of wasted breath. The only opinions that matter in this are the TV execs, and nobody is going to pull the wool over there eyes when it comes to numbers that matter. The offers will reflect the value of the product, no matter how many media blowhards are deployed to fight the PR battle. Period.

 

[BryceC]

Looks like they all shared their homework assignment this weekend. Sorry, you're going to have to do it again because you all copied from each other.

They are really pumping right now. You wouldn't trade our troubles for theirs? Their only two marketable schools left are demanding unequal revenue. It's absurd.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I did see a guy carted through the lots on a stretcher who apparently passed out. Was that you?

Can confirm it was not snowcraig.

 

[Gunnerclone]

The thing that cracks me up with this whole "debate" is who are they trying to convince??? This is all a bunch of wasted breath. The only opinions that matter in this are the TV execs, and nobody is going to pull the wool over there eyes when it comes to numbers that matter. The offers will reflect the value of the product, no matter how many media blowhards are deployed to fight the PR battle. Period.

They get the clicks out of it.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I did see a guy carted through the lots on a stretcher who apparently passed out. Was that you?

Not unless you were tailgating in Marion.

 

[JM4CY]

Can confirm it was not snowcraig.

That was you? You’re younger than I anticipated.

 

[isucy86]

If the p12 goes all in on the 1030 est kickoffs, that means Oregon, Washington and Utah will be playing at that time most weeks. It helps those teams but the other teams will get pushed to less attractive time slots, losing the current bump they get from having no power conference to compete with. If the purpose of the league is going to be to try to prop up the best 3 or 4 programs at the expense of the other schools TV numbers, why would the others be interested at all? Their numbers will drop to keep the schools with one foot out the door relevant to the b1g.

If the Pac12 thinks 10:30est is the glory hole, they are crazy. Been smoking too much of the wacky weed!!

For the Pac12 to grow interest, their primary game times need to be something like:

• 1p CT / 11a PT
• 4p CT/ 2p PT
• 7p CT/ 5p PT
• 10p CT/ 8p PT

And the 10p CT game is never going to be the time slot that's going to draw significant ET/CT interest. Most sane fans aren't staying up til 1:30a to watch a Pac12 game. 10p is great time for having a captive PT audience, but that isn't gong to grow the Pac12.

I would love to see the next Big12 TV contract include a weekly Friday night game.

 

[cyatheart]

They are really pumping right now. You wouldn't trade our troubles for theirs? Their only two marketable schools left are demanding unequal revenue. It's absurd.

Man these guys are really in a different world.

 

[isucy86]

One thing that is clear is getting a game on ABC, Fox and ESPN certainly boosts ratings.

So on one hand, it is true that playing a late night kickoff is not favorable, all things being equal. However, all things aren't otherwise equal. The Pacific time zone allows for games to be on late on better networks than they would be otherwise.

The question is do the 4 corner schools along with BYU broadcasting on later time slots do better with a conference that in the last year or two watches a lot more football, but reside in Central and Eastern Time zone?

I guess all this arguing about value doesn't really matter. The networks will ultimately make that decision. I'm guessing PAC $ probably have a fair amount of Oregon uncertainty baked in.

I would add CBS & NBC to that list.

 

[Gonzo]

Not unless you were tailgating in Marion.

When's the new stadium for the Indians... er, Wolves, going to be ready?