Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[cyfan92]

The greatest bargaining chip that Mandel could come up with for the Pac (a unique time slot with no competition) is one that was essentially given to them by the networks, and thus could be taken away. And to some degree, it probably will.

ESPN is the only linear sports content carrier who gives a shi* about that late window now that Fox is using USC and UCLA for that spot.

We know ESPN's offer to the PAC-12 is 1/2 the value of the Big 12.. Good luck keeping the schools together.

NBC has SNL in the late spot. They won't bid.

CBS is the only option in my opinion before they are forced into streaming their Tier 1 games. That is where it's between the Big 12 and Pac-12 for the CBS window.

 

[CascadeClone]

ESPN is the only linear sports content carrier who gives a shi* about that late window now that Fox is using USC and UCLA for that spot.

We know ESPN's offer to the PAC-12 is 1/2 the value of the Big 12.. Good luck keeping the schools together.

Do we know that for sure? Big12 makes what $35M per team now (not counting CFP, bowls) and that's before OuT. I've seen projections keeping that about level, which seems optimistic but still isn't 2x.

What's the latest on Big12 contract expectations next go around?

 

[Gunnerclone]

I could definitely see the Big 12 do exactly this and give Arizona and Utah etc. full shares immediately while Houston, UCF, Cincy, BYU are on their partial share deal.

100% agree with this.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Do we know that for sure? Big12 makes what $35M per team now (not counting CFP, bowls) and that's before OuT. I've seen projections keeping that about level, which seems optimistic but still isn't 2x.

What's the latest on Big12 contract expectations next go around?

While I agree that the big12 is in much better shape then the Pac we really dont know what any of those numbers are going to be. If the pac is taking such a massive hit without USC/UCLA (which many on here have pointed out havent drawn well lately) we really dont know what the big 12 numbers will look like. They will be better but how much better?

 

[Gunnerclone]

While I agree that the big12 is in much better shape then the Pac we really dont know what any of those numbers are going to be. If the pac is taking such a massive hit without USC/UCLA (which many on here have pointed out havent drawn well lately) we really dont know what the big 12 numbers will look like. They will be better but how much better?

Imo the numbers will be lower or the same but the spread will be the same for both conferences.

 

[WhoISthis]

It's as if Warren read Mandel's column from yesterday and said, "Yeah, we'll take your valuable Pac-after-dark time slots for ourselves too." That argument was pretty weak on its face and it appears to be collapsing already. (Though this quote is going to need clarification, because surely the B1G isn't eyeing the four corners schools in the Mountain time zone.)

@FriendlySpartan
The BIG with 4-6 PAC schools would do much better in that late spot than Pac ever did

 

[FriendlySpartan]

@FriendlySpartan
The BIG with 4-6 PAC schools would do much better in that late spot than Pac ever did

Does the big ten even need that many? With UCS/UCLA there should always be a game at the late night spot, no need to over crowd it for a very limited audience

 

[Gunnerclone]

@FriendlySpartan
The BIG with 4-6 PAC schools would do much better in that late spot than Pac ever did

Mandel’s argument was always based on ESPN needing to counter program SOMETHING against that. However I think it would be hilarious if they told the PAC it’s better business to re-air College Gameday and Pardon My Take in that slot.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Does the big ten even need that many? With UCS/UCLA there should always be a game at the late night spot, no need to over crowd it for a very limited audience

How will B1G fans feel about 10:30 ET kicks for their team when playing at USC/UCLA?

 

[WhoISthis]

While I agree that the big12 is in much better shape then the Pac we really dont know what any of those numbers are going to be. If the pac is taking such a massive hit without USC/UCLA (which many on here have pointed out havent drawn well lately) we really dont know what the big 12 numbers will look like. They will be better but how much better?

True, but I think the only number that matters is the difference between Big 16/18 and Pac10.

And I don’t think it needs to be high to get movement. Once the shock of it being a P2 era and the PAC being functionally just as off brand as the Big 12 wears off, the realization that 3 weak rump conferences surviving is not tenable

My personal read is the difference must be enough to move, as that’s the leverage Canzano is speaking to in getting unequal revenue sharing. If it wasn’t considered worthy of moving for, there’s no leverage in getting unequal revenue in Pac

 

[isucy86]

It's as if Warren read Mandel's column from yesterday and said, "Yeah, we'll take your valuable Pac-after-dark time slots for ourselves too." That argument was pretty weak on its face and it appears to be collapsing already. (Though this quote is going to need clarification, because surely the B1G isn't eyeing the four corners schools in the Mountain time zone.)

At least if the Big10 provides a late night Saturday window for games it will pair USC or UCLA vs a current Big10 team. Attracting incremental viewership outside the MT or PT zones. The Pac12 is kidding themselves if the late night Saturday window is going to be the Pac12 Savior. No incremental views to have Utah playing Stanford. Plus it is content that already exists and built into historical TV rights deals.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

How will B1G fans feel about 10:30 ET kicks for their team when playing at USC/UCLA?

It should only happen once a season so it wont be that bad. For the game against USC it will be awesome, against UCLA, meh. Also I haven't heard anything yet about how many games will even be played at that spot. If it is a ranked matchup or a game against one of the big tens top 7 teams then it wont be on that late.

 

[keepngoal]

Guess who else can be in four time zones….. the B12.

 

[12191987]

k wtf is panache

Autocorrect.

It was intended as “Ponch”. “Ponch” was a character on a very popular television show set in Southern California back when USC and UCLA were simultaneously relevant in football and basketball, respectively.

 

[AuH2O]

At least if the Big10 provides a late night Saturday window for games it will pair USC or UCLA vs a current Big10 team. Attracting incremental viewership outside the MT or PT zones. The Pac12 is kidding themselves if the late night Saturday window is going to be the Pac12 Savior. No incremental views to have Utah playing Stanford. Plus it is content that already exists and built into historical TV rights deals.

Yet another thing that Mandel and the like are completely missing. They owned the 10 pm eastern slot. You had a bad to mediocre game on a good network competing against MWC on FS1. That time slot was a sore spot, but it was a bunch of games that had they been played in the afternoon or prime time on the east coast would’ve been buried on FS2.

Now they are not only losing USC and UCLA, but you better believe there’s going to be one of these two teams playing a home game in that late night spot damn near every week. You lose big brands and start competing against them for viewers when they had no P5 competition before.

Good night PAC. It was a good run.

 

[WhoISthis]

Does the big ten even need that many? With UCS/UCLA there should always be a game at the late night spot, no need to over crowd it for a very limited audience

I don’t think the BIG needs anything. They could **** this up and still be a P2

I think they’ll want those academics, and owning all of CA. Twice as easy to fill that late spot and getting BTN in Bay Area a perk. This step change in new deal the only time it can occur (or maybe the next deal). It could mean better exporting of CA/west to Midwest, as it kills the PAC. BIG with all of CA vs Big 12 with corner 4 and UW/Oregon. No contest. PAC12 with SDSU and Fresno likely is a more worthy CA/west option in recruiting compared to mid-level or lower BIG.

I don’t see usc and UCLA being enough to always be in the late spot, particularly USC- this all works and makes money because USC will help pull in the prime spots. The 4+ million viewership games. Pushing lesser matchups down to less prime spots. The #3 game that week becomes #4, and so on. UCLA will likely get a lot for sure

Waiting and seeing what ND does worth the time imo. If both BIG and ND anticipate another step change bump on next deal, they could wait to see how this goes. I think that’s the current desire by many. But if ESPN gets shutout on BIG, not implausible ESPN gets ND in 2025 or NBC steps up

 

[timinatoria]

How will B1G fans feel about 10:30 ET kicks for their team when playing at USC/UCLA?

Very few if any schools will ever play on the road against USC and UCLA in the same season. So once every other year or so for most teams won’t be a big deal. It will be a bit of a novelty.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

It should only happen once a season so it wont be that bad. For the game against USC it will be awesome, against UCLA, meh. Also I haven't heard anything yet about how many games will even be played at that spot. If it is a ranked matchup or a game against one of the big tens top 7 teams then it wont be on that late.

I really doubt most fans will think it’s awesome. I also doubt that ET teams will be in those games often if at all. Minnesota at USC and Nebraska at UCLA type games instead. Hawk fans will manage to b**** about it I’m sure.

ISU played in this window last year at UNLV and we b****ed as well

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I really doubt most fans will think it’s awesome. I also doubt that ET teams will be in those games often if at all. Minnesota at USC and Nebraska at UCLA type games instead. Hawk fans will manage to b**** about it I’m sure.

ISU played in this window last year at UNLV and we b****ed as well

It will only happen once a year at most so we will see. Also if your team is ranked no way you are playing that late so you might be right that fans wouldn't find it awesome because if you are playing that late your team is probably having a down year. The ET teams include the 4 best big ten teams, the two indy schools, plus maryland and rutgers. Kind of hard not to have some of them go over especially since the divisions are going away.

 

[WhoISthis]

It will only happen once a year at most so we will see. Also if your team is ranked no way you are playing that late so you might be right that fans wouldn't find it awesome because if you are playing that late your team is probably having a down year. The ET teams include the 4 best big ten teams, the two indy schools, plus maryland and rutgers. Kind of hard not to have some of them go over especially since the divisions are going away.

That’s the benefit of consolidation imo. You’ll have more reasons to watch more teams, ones that have some tradition with BIG, but not functionally a huge change. Making CFB more national but still based on regional/traditional matchups for most

The BIG will get a bump in CA recruiting and maybe money, for basically an annual trip to CA and the NU types playing late night few times.