If carriage fee is still a thing, I don't see how it will be going forward.
For example, a vast majority of subscribers, even in Madison, don't care and don't want to pay for BTN and are moving off that service, anyway
New world.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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For example, a vast majority of subscribers, even in Madison, don't care and don't want to pay for BTN and are moving off that service, anyway
New world.
Goldmine for Big10.
They don't have to expand subs. Since BC would be in market they can charge more per sub.
Also carriage fees don't just apply to cable. Satellite and streaming providers like YouTubeTV pay them as well.
What is Cal's BTN impact if Stanford is already included?
I don't think it matters too much- the BIG is in positon to add whatever school they want. If they want to all 4 CA schools and then shut-out all the rest of the PAC from that state, meaning more exposure and recruits for the BIG, while adding two elite academics, they can afford that
If they want to take 4 more PAC schools to own the west coast, they're a P2 not matter what.
It would be great if the BIG went east though. Maybe FOX would setup a Big 20 (later plus ACC) as their middle class conference. I don't think if FOX had interest in doing that, but perhaps they jsut want PAC dissolution given Warren's comments
BC’s fan interest and caliber of football is irrelevant. Like Rutgers and Maryland, if BC joins the B1G they have two jobs. 1) charge a few million households in their region a a couple bucks a month for BTN, 2) lose to Ohio St, Michigan and Penn St. The Scarlet Knights and Terps have performed exceedingly well at both.
Whereas in the West division the B1G desperately needs a heavyweight or two. So instead of Ohio St beating Sconi 59-0 or Michigan beating an ever-overrated Iowa 42-3 in the CCG, you get USC vs the Buckeyes or Wolverines. Those are the matchups that the B1G, FOX and ESPN are looking for in the CCG every year. Followed by those same teams in an expanded playoff two weeks later.
The lifespan of this model is limited as more and more cut cords. Eventually they will have to rely strictly on viewership, and a school like BC (and rutgers) will be drags on the B10's finances.
Thats why I was pointing to the point is they can count on carrier fees for "media markets like Rutgers and BC for now, but with streaming etc that model is changing and how long that holds is anyones guess.
Thats why viewership has become more important this round. Market still matters, but if the views arent there it degrades that market value.
According to Barry Alvarez and Fox Sports President Silverman, the ACC approached Penn State in 2012 and that played a role in the B1G adding Rutgers & Maryland -
"At that time, the Big East had ceased as a primary football entity and both the Big Ten and ACC vied to fill the East Coast college sports vacuum. The ACC approached Penn State for membership in 2012, which demanded a response from former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany.
“There was a little concern of Penn State being out there on its own and giving Penn State some home partners in its general area,” Silverman said. “I know people still kind of are a little uncertain about that today, and it was done for a different kind of reasoning. Usually, you expand to bring in a premier program athletically.”
“Here’s what the thinking was on Maryland and Rutgers,” Alvarez said, “and I give Jim Delany credit for this. You take a look at Penn State sitting there by itself in the East. Football has gained momentum in the Southeast. They have no partner; they really have no travel partner.
“As things kept moving along and they’re sitting out there by themselves, maybe there’s a tendency for them to look south. So, there was a lot of that went into adding those schools, and that was part of Jim’s thinking.”
TV money leading to college football changes
Barry Alvarez: "I think the game is going to continue to change, and we just have to continue to change with it.”
That's only true if streaming companies stop paying carriage. Right now YouTubeTV, Hulu, etc pay carriage fees just like cable.
The model might change eventually, but Big10 & Fox are betting the model is around for the next 10 years or whatever their media contract length is
If we end up in the SEC, that will be the end of my time as a Cyclone fan. I want absolutely nothing to do with that conference.
16 team college playoff?
Benefits the Big10/SEC the most so it’ll happen. Irony is ACC and PAC 12 voted against the 12 team proposal that would have guaranteed them access last year (and saved their conference for a while).
Benefits the Big10/SEC the most so it’ll happen. Irony is ACC and PAC 12 voted against the 12 team proposal that would have guaranteed them access last year (and saved their conference for a while).
This assumes people who cut the cable cord jump to an internet based linear streamer like youtube tv etc. A lot of people are dropping cable and then only subscribing to streamers that operate like Netflix, Disney+, etc. Outside of live sports most linear channels have absolutely gone to ****, with very little original programming, so if you're not interested in sports there's very little reason to sub to linear tv-based streamers.
I agree what you are saying. I am one of those people to a degree. I add a linear streamer on Sep 1 and keep it til Apt 1. Even when I pay for a linear streaming service, the majority of my TV time is spent watching YouTube videos or a service like Amazon Prime. But I pay for linear streaming entirely to get live sports.
But the numbers support the vast majority of Americans still pay for Cable (around 55%) or streaming linear (20%). Sure that 75% is declining, but for the next 5-10 years the Big10 can rely on cable/streaming carriage fees to provide big $.
The number I saw for a Big10 with USC & UCLA was around $150M of BTN carriage fees annually.
PAC 12 is doomed. B1G is going to pick at the carcass again. Corner Schools to the Big 12. Washington State and Oregon State will be the flagship universities of the new PAC 12 Lite. ACC will survive for now. The GOR binds them. Look for a 12 team playoff. 4 remaining P5 Conferences get automatic each. Group of 5 Conferences get 1 automatic. 7 at large.
If the Pac-12 dies in the next year or so, it would make sense to have a top 5 champs plus 7 at large CFP that lasts from whenever the current contract runs out (2025?) up to the end of the ACC GOR or so, so for about 12 years. Then revisit.
