Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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In regards to pooling, yes, I have alleged equal. In reality, there will be some differences. Hoping the Big 12 media revenue gap will be closer for pooling than the chasm it is at right now between the Big 12 and Big 10/SEC. I may have my numbers off, but it is about $40-$50 million gap and keeps enlarging. Hoping it is more like $10 million for a mid-tier Big 10/SEC school.
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Just imagine being that deluded. Forrest thru the trees and what not.
They will get their way because they'll get expansion done before. Then the B12 and ACC are ****** because they can't merge or raid each other. Tripling the gap. Don't say they'll revert back to old conference alignments because that wont happen.
So you really think that if/when the PCSA gets finalized for voting with anti-expansion and other provisions that are reportedly in the process of being agreed to by the SEC and B10 that they are going to then try and beat the clock with additional expansion and brand consolidation?
Regardless if PCSA gets passed or not, they will get their asses sued for anti-trust along the immense financial (early ACC exit fees, etc.) and political consequences of doing so.
Go eff yourself, Sparty.
This isn't about Campbell, this is what's best for ISU and obviously you, Purple Hawk and the Hawks dip$hits here don't give a flip about what's best for ISU.
Businesses have the right to expand and those two conferences certainly don't have a monopoly on college football
Have answered this question multiple times and your impaired brain can't comprehend the consequences.
ESPN and Fox don' think highly of ISU and if they get their way, they aren't going to include ISU and 25-30 other ACC/B12 schools in the SEC and B10 and the payout gap between those two conferences and the B12/ACC is going to significantly widen and financially/competitively relegate ISU and the ACC/B12 leftovers. If they are allowed to do so, there is no reason for ESPN and Fox to expand the SEC and B10 beyond 20 each and ISU isn't one of the 6 to be poached.
Got it?
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There is a reason why there are anti-trust lawyers always present in B10/SEC joint meetings. If PCSA doesn't get passed, ESPN and Fox will expand the SEC and B10 for their sole benefit and 80%-90% of CFB media revenues will flow to those two conferences and ISU's media payouts will likely be cut by 50% or more.
I get it you're a Purple Hawk who doesn't care about ISU and hoping this pans out.
So, stuff you just dreamed up in your head or your boy Cody fed to you. Got it. How those boots taste today?
I would be very surprised mid-tier Big 10/SEC schools will allow gap to close from $30-$35M to $10M. If the the expectation of ACC & Big 12 schools, it's a big reason the Big 10/SEC are so insistent pooling only be voluntary.
Just look at the CFP. Under the 4 team structure each P5 conference received an even amount, around $80M in the final year. Since Big 12 was 10 teams, each Big 12 school received around $8M annually. Whereas, with 14 teams each Big 10 & SEC received around $5.7M. What happened with the move to 12 teams? Each Big 10 & SEC school are now receiving around $23M annually and Big 12 schools around $13M (ACC schools get around $17M). That doesn't include payments based on number of playoff teams a conference gets.
The Big 12 & ACC conferences agreed to take much lower fixed payments!! Big 12 schools are getting 57percent of Big 10/SEC schools. So if you are expecting pooling to narrow the current $30-$35M gap so drastically, IMO that is a pipe dream.
LOL, you still childishly think this is about Campbell when it’s about what’s best for ISU and you’ve made it clear as a Purple Hawk that you don’t want what’s best for ISU. You can go eff yourself with Sparty.
Why would you expect evil ESPN or FOX to bid on the next Big 12 media deal? The way you derail both entities, I would think you would be happy if ESPN/FOX have nothing to do with the Big 12 after 2031. Especially since they underpay for the media rights they have purchased. IMO the best hope for the Big 12 is someone like Skydance/Paramount+ or NBC/Universal.
You act like ESPN/FOX have a monopoly. They are the dominate players because they have been willing to pay the most. ESPN outbid CBS for SEC Saturday afternoon games. The Big 12 could have gone out to bid, but understood ESPN & FOX would pay the most. The Pac 12 could have given their media rights to Amazon, but university Presidents thought their visibility would tank on a subscription platform.
ESPN, FOX, NBC, CBS, TNT, etc. don't arbitrarily come up with an amount they are willing to pay for media rights. It's based on platform subscriptions they can sell and what advertisers will pay for commercial time. So if media companies think Big 12/ACC schools can attract comparable viewership to Big10/SEC then the Big 12/ACC will get paid comparable.
You can't have it both ways. ESPN/FOX evil monopoly, ESPN/FOX underpay, Pooling will bring 2-3x. The Big 10 (and NFL) got it right. Diversify distribution partners to strengthen negotiating position and maximize media rights fees.
Maybe you should add CBS to your monopoly diatribe. The NCAA hasn't taken March Madness out to bid in over 20 years. The NCAA most recently renewed a 10 year deal from 2023 to 2032.
LOL at the “B10 got it right” hot take. Fox got it right with their sublicense deals with NBC and CBS to offset what they pay to the B10 as 100% rights holder.
But you are correct that the NFL does things right with multiple rights holders all having access to premium brands and post season access unlike FBS FB who leaves billions on the table under the current setup to ESPN’s and Fox’s benefit with their obvious goal of additional brand consolidation to kneecap 25-30 B12/ACC football programs.
And your point about the NCAA MBB tournament is why the NCAA needs to outsource their media rights negotiations to optimize revenues. And CBS/Turner aren’t dictating realignment and destroying conferences like what ESPN and Fox have done with CFB.
I just came across this. University of Illinois law school paper in its abstract earlier this year suggest the Big 10 and SEC are violating the Sherman Anti Trust act through its NIL form contract. The paper is forthcoming, but the abstract is published here.
Yep, I am hoping the pooling happens over the objections of the Big 10 and SEC. The next challenge on this pooling concept is the distribution. What you are saying is that it won't make a difference whether pooling or not. The SEC and Big 10 won't agree on the pooling distribution unless they maintain the media revenue gap?
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