Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

CloneGuy8

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Wilner coming in hot on the Stew train. Seems like they've really put the spin to their numbers over the weekend for a Monday morning attack.


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MBB doesn't matter. All that matters for $$$ is FB. We love good BBall but it has nothing to do with these conversations.

That's your opinion somewhere in this mess of a thread there was a bunch of numbers about MBB because the Fb season ends in January
 

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What I am getting out of this is that the "outlet" (channel and time slot) drives 80% of the resultant viewer numbers, and the actual team is 20%.

So ESPN at 10:30pm with no competition gets 1.5M viewers. Because it's the ONLY option for the degenerate gamblers and west coast CFB fans at that time.

But FS1 at 2:30, up against ESPN, CBS, FOX, and ABC... less than 1M viewers. If you traded the teams on FS1 with the teams on ABC, how much would the resulting viewer numbers change? 20% feels about right, unless you are doing something extreme like switching Bama/TAMU with TT/KSU.

This all screams for a linear regression. Does anyone have a link to individual game viewer number data with channel, time, teams, etc?
 

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What I am getting out of this is that the "outlet" (channel and time slot) drives 80% of the resultant viewer numbers, and the actual team is 20%.

So ESPN at 10:30pm with no competition gets 1.5M viewers. Because it's the ONLY option for the degenerate gamblers and west coast CFB fans at that time.

But FS1 at 2:30, up against ESPN, CBS, FOX, and ABC... less than 1M viewers. If you traded the teams on FS1 with the teams on ABC, how much would the resulting viewer numbers change? 20% feels about right, unless you are doing something extreme like switching Bama/TAMU with TT/KSU.

This all screams for a linear regression. Does anyone have a link to individual game viewer number data with channel, time, teams, etc?
Right? My main read on Stew's numbers is that sports writers aren't great data analysts, and he should make his raw numbers available for others to compare his results. This article need peer review.
 

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Where do you get that stat from? BYU was in the 40’s for most watched team and didn’t even average over a million viewers per game. Compared to other big 12 teams they are solidly in the middle for ratings draw. Not saying that the big 12 isn’t going to crush the pac in ratings just kinda wondered where the BYU point came from.

BYU is in the late window time zone. Little to no competition in that window.

BYU versus Iowa St is a lot more appealing than ASU versus Washington St. Hardly anyone cares about football in the PAC.
 
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What I am getting out of this is that the "outlet" (channel and time slot) drives 80% of the resultant viewer numbers, and the actual team is 20%.

So ESPN at 10:30pm with no competition gets 1.5M viewers. Because it's the ONLY option for the degenerate gamblers and west coast CFB fans at that time.

But FS1 at 2:30, up against ESPN, CBS, FOX, and ABC... less than 1M viewers. If you traded the teams on FS1 with the teams on ABC, how much would the resulting viewer numbers change? 20% feels about right, unless you are doing something extreme like switching Bama/TAMU with TT/KSU.

This all screams for a linear regression. Does anyone have a link to individual game viewer number data with channel, time, teams, etc?

I think one thing we don't really talk about on here is that while the number of viewers is important, how much are advertisers going to pay for those ad spots? I would assume the mid day and prime time games are more valuable than those 10:30 pm games because people are more focused during the earlier games. By 10:30, while the viewers may be inflated because its the only sports related game going on at that time at night, how many people are actively watching it? I would bet advertisers have data on which time slots drive more sales/attention to their product and thus, how much they are willing to spend.
 

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That's your opinion somewhere in this mess of a thread there was a bunch of numbers about MBB because the Fb season ends in January
Its mostly football. BBall has some weight. Otherwise no one would be talking about teams like Kansas, Arizona, Duke. Media will pay something to have them due to their basketball content.
 

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I also believe that games on the Pac-12 network don’t have the viewership numbers reported. Well those are all of the worst matchups, and so the majority of Pac teams get to shield 5 or 6 low viewership games in there. Imagine if we could throw out KU, UNLV, etc and get our numbers over 2 million per game.
Oh ****. If those #s don't include that then it's absolutely a silly comparison
 

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I'm curious what Stewey and Jonny are hoping to accomplish, other than driving views of their stuff. The network execs know whats up, and have the data and competent analysis. Public sentiment is going to drive realignment.
 
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Its mostly football. BBall has some weight. Otherwise no one would be talking about teams like Kansas, Arizona, Duke. Media will pay something to have them due to their basketball content.
Ummm no one is talking about kansas, arizona, or duke as good options because sadly the basketball means almost nothing.
 

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Wilner coming in hot on the Stew train. Seems like they've really put the spin to their numbers over the weekend for a Monday morning attack.



Holy ****, they have thier propaganda outlined and thier talking points in line quickly! They must have both watched Tucker last night!
 

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So Vince McMahon steps down from WWE.

NBC is in bed with WWE since they have the network on the C*ck and a long term history going back to the 80s.

Maybe NBC shoots the wad in ND and wrestling. Big 12 loses a potential revenue stream.
 

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Ummm no one is talking about kansas, arizona, or duke as good options because sadly the basketball means almost nothing.

However I do think “almost” is important here, because - along with a status jump for playing offense, and trying to push the Pac-12 lower in the pecking order if not outright destroy the conference - Arizona’s basketball quality is a factor in Big 12 interest.

The Big 12 is not going to be on the level of the B1G or SEC in football, over time, with the huge money gap. But it could remain a top hoops league even after those other conferences far surpass it in revenue.

Even if adding Arizona is purely revenue neutral, those factors make them a take for the Big 12 in my view.
 

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We still did get a bump last year because of the perception we'd run it back.

Last year was big for the Big 12 in changing the outlook. ISU, Baylor, Ok St all did okay in ratings. The 4 additions all did well, on the field and mostly in ratings.

Outside of the top-20 brands, ratings are mostly contextual. I don't think ISU has much of a brand, but we did well last year. WSU with Leach has done well. Last year was one of the few years in which the Big 12 had context similar to PAC. Previously, any good non-OUT team would be matched up with OUT in the best matchups. Not often did OUT games get bumped from a good spot for a ISU-Baylor matchup, as OUT are elite pulls. USC/UCLA were not.
How long did that bump last? The season started with a 2-2 thud, including being terrible against UNI in the win. The expectations and excitement took a big hit after the poor start. Sure, there were few teams with higher expectations, but starting week 2 and carrying through most of the season there weren’t many teams that had those expectations crushed out of the gates like ISU did.
 
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So millions of fans are going to watch those games on a Saturday night because they care so much but they don’t even halfway fill their own stadiums…. Bold take.

 

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