Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[qwerty]

It's fun to be looking at the ACC instead of the PAC for once. When actual news hits its fun to read message boards of the impacted schools.

Louisville fans: Seem to accept that the ACC is going to die. Academically are out of the B1G, with very few holding for hope of the SEC but most consider that a lost cause. The majority think the Big12 with Cinci, WVU, and any other old Big East friends would be a great landing spot that pays just as much as they already get. Oh and basketball will be killer.

Pitt fans: Feel similarly to Louisville on the Big12 as both likely and fun place to be if it means they keep old rivals, similar money, and great basketball.

Syracuse fans: Not much talk of the Big12. Their hope is the remaining ACC schools stay together or they become football hobos like UCONN and join the Big East for BBall.

Duke fans: More mixed than the others. Some say academically Duke would never join the Big12. Even seen a few suggest they should try to join the IVY League. Keeping some watered-down ACC together or the Indy football/BigEast thing. Others like the idea of making the Big12 the undisputed King of Basketball.

Virginia Tech fans: Seems the want out of the ACC, but know its SEC or bust. Bust is the Big 12 to them, they don't seem to hate the idea just a disappointment to not be in the SEC.

NC State fans: Similar to VT. Most believe since they were mentioned in the Magnificant 7, that their school wouldn't be proactive in getting out just to join the Big 12. They don't hate the idea of the Big 12, but believe its the SEC for them.

Georgia Tech fans: Stay in ACC and sue anyone that leaves. Big 12 is nothing without OU and Texas.

Stopped reading after I saw the 8) trade in this tweet/reddit post. I spit my coffee out.

So B1G takes: UNC, UVA, GA Tech, Duke and BC to go to 21 teams?
SEC takes: FSU, Clemson, VA Tech, NC St, and is at 20 teams
Big 12 takes: Miami, L'Ville, Syracuse and Pitt and is at 16 teams

That seems pretty balanced . . . . .

 

[qwerty]

I think for both the SEC and B10 to go to 24 and consolidate in to the two super conferences, there would be additional teams from the B12 in addition to the ACC and Pac.

IF there is a 48 team two set super conference that is separate from the Big 12 and rest of college sports, I say let them be separate and they can only play amongst themselves for all athletics. No more basketball, baseball, softball, any other sports intermingled between super conference teams and the rest of the NCAA. That's the way he wants it, well, he gets it.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

So B1G takes: UNC, UVA, GA Tech, Duke and BC to go to 21 teams?
SEC takes: FSU, Clemson, VA Tech, NC St, and is at 20 teams
Big 12 takes: Miami, L'Ville, Syracuse and Pitt and is at 16 teams

That seems pretty balanced . . . . .

There is a close to zero chance BC makes it to a good landing spot if the ACC breaks apart. Certainly not to the big ten and I think the big 12 is way too good for them also

 

[2speedy1]

I can see the Houston add a little more from a basketball and keeping four Texas schools perspective. I just can't come up with enough justification for UCF. I think if we knew what we know now with UCLA and USC leaving the Pac-12 we might have been a little more selective about expansion at that time.

If you look at value and viewership, the Houston add was bad. They are really really low on most list for this. UCF was much more valuable and had better viewership than many. There are some lists that have been shared on here for it. Houston is way down, with SDSU for viewership.

I think there were better choices than Houston. No one in the state of Texas cares about Houston. Just like no on in the state of California cares about anyone...especially SDSU. UCF is a similar situation, but has been quite a bit above those 2.

 

[isu81]

IF there is a 48 team two set super conference that is separate from the Big 12 and rest of college sports, I say let them be separate and they can only play amongst themselves for all athletics. No more basketball, baseball, softball, any other sports intermingled between super conference teams and the rest of the NCAA. That's the way he wants it, well, he gets it.

My point was not that. It was that if there are 2 super conferences if 24 teams, I think some current B12 teams would be in play. Thinking Oklahoma State, maybe Kansas?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

My point was not that. It was that if there are 2 super conferences if 24 teams, I think some current B12 teams would be in play. Thinking Oklahoma State, maybe Kansas?

Ok state, close to zero chance
Kansas, zero chance if it’s football only, obv basketball is in

If TCU becomes the new Clemson and regular Big12 rep then they would be in.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

I know there is really no way out of the GOR. But this is not a tenable situation for 12 more years. You can’t have 7 schools (half the conference) basically go on strike. I think they’re going to have to agree to unequal revenue sharing just to get cooperation.

 

[Clonedogg]

Clemson fits perfectly as they are right now in the SEC. Not sure if their recruiting/performance would hold up playing SEC teams for a whole season but they feel like a SEC school. Get it’s double dipping into South Carolina but still think it would make sense.

The idea in the story of the ACC schools somehow breaking off and forming a new conference is a weird one but damn that would be fascinating drama.

The idea of ACC 7 breaking off and starting a new conference is unlikely but yes, intriguing.
Would they need 8 to do that? Let's say they didn't and did exit, and then for some reason none decide to join the P2. They could go get 5 Pac schools, Oregon, UW, Utah, Stanford and Cal. That'd be an interesting 12 to start with, instantly leapfrog the big12 and contend with the P2. It'd never happen tho.

 

[Gorm]

I'll be shocked if we get to 2035 and the ACC is still together in its current form...

 

[SCNCY]

The idea of ACC 7 breaking off and starting a new conference is unlikely but yes, intriguing.
Would they need 8 to do that? Let's say they didn't and did exit, and then for some reason none decide to join the P2. They could go get 5 Pac schools, Oregon, UW, Utah, Stanford and Cal. That'd be an interesting 12 to start with, instantly leapfrog the big12 and contend with the P2. It'd never happen tho.

I think so long most of them have a landing spot, it should be something they look at hard. If espn isn’t willing to renegotiate, then it may be best for most schools to leave for a new conference with higher pay.

Wake and BC should be worried. I think everyone else could end up somewhere else, and get paid more than the ACC media deal is giving them.

This is also dependent on what the GOR says about disbanding the conference.

 

[Cloneon]

I think so long most of them have a landing spot, it should be something they look at hard. If espn isn’t willing to renegotiate, then it may be best for most schools to leave for a new conference with higher pay.

Wake and BC should be worried. I think everyone else could end up somewhere else, and get paid more than the ACC media deal is giving them.

This is also dependent on what the GOR says about disbanding the conference.

What is most intriguing is 'how' they'll be able to go about 'discovering' their media financial payout without formal negotiations. Or, for that matter, their eventual destinations. That would then appear to be collusion, which likely is a no-no per their existing contracts.

 

[SCNCY]

What is most intriguing is 'how' they'll be able to go about 'discovering' their media financial payout without formal negotiations. Or, for that matter, their eventual destinations. That would then appear to be collusion, which likely is a no-no per their existing contracts.

Yeah, a lot of work for lawyers here. But at the same time, OU, Texas, USC, and UCLA had these conversations. Although, they are leaving right when the respective media deals finish. ACC wouldn't.

 

[isucy86]

I think so long most of them have a landing spot, it should be something they look at hard. If espn isn’t willing to renegotiate, then it may be best for most schools to leave for a new conference with higher pay.

Wake and BC should be worried. I think everyone else could end up somewhere else, and get paid more than the ACC media deal is giving them.

This is also dependent on what the GOR says about disbanding the conference.

The problem is not only do they need a landing spot, but ESPN & Fox have to be willing to invest.

I have felt that TV Networks (mainly Fox and ESPN) would be willing to divide up the Pac12 in 2023 and foot the bill for OU/WA to Big10 and UA, ASU, UU and CU to Big12.

But to also throw 8-12 ACC schools into that investment scenario before 2030 might be a tipping point- especially at Big10 and SEC media fees. Plus ESPN & FOX will want to be flush with cash to bid on the 12 team playoff in a couple years. And don't journalist keep telling us we are currently in a media recession?

 

[goody2012]

I think so long most of them have a landing spot, it should be something they look at hard. If espn isn’t willing to renegotiate, then it may be best for most schools to leave for a new conference with higher pay.

Wake and BC should be worried. I think everyone else could end up somewhere else, and get paid more than the ACC media deal is giving them.

This is also dependent on what the GOR says about disbanding the conference.

After a vote to disband the conference, what about the contract with ESPN?

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I think so long most of them have a landing spot, it should be something they look at hard. If espn isn’t willing to renegotiate, then it may be best for most schools to leave for a new conference with higher pay.

Wake and BC should be worried. I think everyone else could end up somewhere else, and get paid more than the ACC media deal is giving them.

This is also dependent on what the GOR says about disbanding the conference.

Kind of wild that UCF, Houston and, most likely San Diego State, are going to have seats at the table but Washington State, Oregon State, BC and Wake aren't.

 

[SCNCY]

After a vote to disband the conference, what about the contract with ESPN?

I'd bet there is a clause that if the conference disbands, the contract ends when the conference ends. Same would have happened to the Big12 if we disbanded, which is what OU and Texas were hoping would happen. And I am sure this happened with the Big East as well.

 

[SCNCY]

Kind of wild that UCF, Houston and, most likely San Diego State, are going to have seats at the table but Washington State, Oregon State, BC and Wake aren't.

No different than Northwestern and Vanderbilt being at the tables they are at. Luck plays a part in life, college athletics is no different.

 

[KnappShack]

After a vote to disband the conference, what about the contract with ESPN?

Where does ESPN weigh in? They own the ACC. Are they going to take a financial hit by letting the ACC get out of the deal?

ESPN tries to say they aren't king makers, but they pull the strings. Would they throw a wrench into this as they lay off 7000 employees, pay UFC, and float Pat McAfee an ungodly amount?

 

[SCNCY]

Where does ESPN weigh in? They own the ACC. Are they going to take a financial hit by letting the ACC get out of the deal?

ESPN tries to say they aren't king makers, but they pull the strings. Would they throw a wrench into this as they lay off 7000 employees, pay UFC, and float Pat McAfee an ungodly amount?

Really, I don't see why ESPN would be against the ACC disbanding (unless their televised games make more money than we think they do). They would get to cut the dead weight and bring FSU, Clemson, and Miami to the SEC. Big10 gets it's pick. Big 12 gets the rest that are worth while.

 

[Cloneon]

Really, I don't see why ESPN would be against the ACC disbanding (unless their televised games make more money than we think they do). They would get to cut the dead weight and bring FSU, Clemson, and Miami to the SEC. Big10 gets it's pick. Big 12 gets the rest that are worth while.

Not sure I see your math. ESPN would still have to compensate for both SEC and B12 moves which would, in all likelihood, still be more expensive than what they have right now.