Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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Coaching salaries and ludicrously luxurious facilities are where the waste is for most programs. However, those are nearly impossible to do anything about short term. Long term, you negotiate lower salaries, and do less/cheaper facility builds. But for right now, you are hosed. But if the media revenue is there, you would think borrowing against that would be the way to go. IDK.

We joked for years that salaries and facilities had gone totally nuts. Now is the reckoning.

Before NIL, having fancy facilities is how you won recruiting battles. Constant upgrades to the locker room, practice facility, player lounges, apartments, etc. were expensive. Now that you can pay players, I’d expect to see less spend on the luxury aspect of these facilities as direct pay to the athlete will have a higher priority. I’d expect facilities in the future be more in line with NFL facilities rather than exceeding them.
 

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Coaching salaries and ludicrously luxurious facilities are where the waste is for most programs. However, those are nearly impossible to do anything about short term. Long term, you negotiate lower salaries, and do less/cheaper facility builds. But for right now, you are hosed. But if the media revenue is there, you would think borrowing against that would be the way to go. IDK.

We joked for years that salaries and facilities had gone totally nuts. Now is the reckoning.
I think the tough thing with borrowing, is you’ve solved the short-term $20M line item. But you’re mitigating future increased revenue through media rights with interest costs.

Someone better at math than me can calculate the annual payment of a $20M loan over 10 years at maybe 8% (no idea what rate would be available). Not sure if it would be significant or not.
 

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$200 fee at Minnesota to help pay the house settlement isn’t settling well with students on top of a 7.5% tuition hike. They are framing it as paying facilities. College athletic departments will need to tread very carefully how much they put paying athletes on other students.

This is pretty crazy. Forcing the slightly less than 55k students create a fund to pay athletes. My quick math says this is $11M annually.

University Presidents have strayed from their core mission of educating the (in the UofM's case) 54k students vs the 500 student athletes. It wasn't too long ago the Big10 touted their new TV deal that was the richest in the land- increasing their media rights revenue from $55M annually to an average of $100M over their new deal from 2023 to 2030.

I would love for a group of P4 university presidents to get-together and tap out from this new model. It's not like TV distribution is all that complex anymore with streaming apps. Instead of maximizing TV revenue, why not right size TV revenue? Based on a model where the athlete's focus leans toward academics vs. heavily leaning toward sport. The student athletes can still make NIL and compete at a high level. But there won't be an environment where coaches are the highest paid university employee, alumni forced to pay an arm & leg to attend their school's games and student fees to fund athletics.

I realize they are private schools, but not having football hasn't hurt the academics or enrollment Big East schools. I know... toothpaste out-of tube.:(
 
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40 years ago Iowa states assistant coaches taught our PE courses.
Yep, took a basketball theory course (for coaches) from Ric Wesley and Jim Hallihan. Jeff Hornacek, Gary Thompkins and David Moss were in the class. Thompkins (freshman) was the only one who showed up regularly and actually participated. Hornacek and Moss, when they did show up, sat and read the newspaper. I became casual friends with Thompkins from that class.
 
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This is pretty crazy. Forcing the slightly less than 55k students create a fund to pay athletes. My quick math says this is $11M annually.

University Presidents have strayed from their core mission of educating the (in the UofM's case) 54k students vs the 500 student athletes. It wasn't too long ago the Big10 touted their new TV deal that was the richest in the land- increasing their media rights revenue from $55M annually to an average of $100M over their new deal from 2023 to 2030.

I would love for a group of P4 university presidents to get-together and tap out from this new model. It's not like TV distribution is all that complex anymore with streaming apps. Instead of maximizing TV revenue, why not right size TV revenue? Based on a model where the athlete's focus leans toward academics vs. heavily leaning toward sport. The student athletes can still make NIL and compete at a high level. But there won't be an environment where coaches are the highest paid university employee, alumni forced to pay an arm & leg to attend their school's games and student fees to fund athletics.

I realize they are private schools, but not having football hasn't hurt the academics or enrollment Big East schools. I know... toothpaste out-of tube.:(
Saying the university presidents have strayed from their mission is a pretty wild over reaction to this.

The rest of your post is a pretty out of touch and extremely outdated take. Coaches have been the highest paid employees for decades and the revenue sports (which is what we’re talking about) academics hasn’t been a primary focus for almost 40 years.

You also might want to check enrollment info and academic rankings for those big east schools outside of Georgetown
 

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Saying the university presidents have strayed from their mission is a pretty wild over reaction to this.

The rest of your post is a pretty out of touch and extremely outdated take. Coaches have been the highest paid employees for decades and the revenue sports (which is what we’re talking about) academics hasn’t been a primary focus for almost 40 years.
I agree with you here but last I checked, grad rates for FB and BB players at most P4 public universities (still) generally equal or exceed those of the general student population for 4 year athletes.
 

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I agree with you here but last I checked, grad rates for FB and BB players at most P4 public universities (still) generally equal or exceed those of the general student population for 4 year athletes.
Oh I’m sure you’re right, helps that the programs many athletes are in set up for easy grad rates and honestly with all the help they get and the ability to stay for an additional year makes it shocking when some don’t graduate
 

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Yep, took a basketball theory course (for coaches) from Ric Wesley and Jim Hallihan. Jeff Hornacek, Gary Thompkins and David Moss were in the class. Thompkins (freshman) was the only one who showed up regularly and actually participated. Hornacek and Moss, when they did show up, sat and read the newspaper. I became casual friends with Thompkins from that class.
Wasn’t that impressed with Hornacek personally when I was there. The flint boys were fantastic.
 

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Another aspect with NIL, you never hear of student athletes not meeting the grades to qualify for the next semester or the following year. I find it hard believing a guy making $3 million a year, even $50,000, is going to worry about a trigonometry test the next day. Are most schools now looking the other way with tutors doing their homework and taking their tests? NC was the last one busted that I can think of and that was 10 years before NIL.
 

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Another aspect with NIL, you never hear of student athletes not meeting the grades to qualify for the next semester or the following year. I find it hard believing a guy making $3 million a year, even $50,000, is going to worry about a trigonometry test the next day. Are most schools now looking the other way with tutors doing their homework and taking their tests? NC was the last one busted that I can think of and that was 10 years before NIL.
You never heard of this before NIL either unless it was a massive scandal
 

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Another aspect with NIL, you never hear of student athletes not meeting the grades to qualify for the next semester or the following year. I find it hard believing a guy making $3 million a year, even $50,000, is going to worry about a trigonometry test the next day. Are most schools now looking the other way with tutors doing their homework and taking their tests? NC was the last one busted that I can think of and that was 10 years before NIL.
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$200 fee at Minnesota to help pay the house settlement isn’t settling well with students on top of a 7.5% tuition hike. They are framing it as paying facilities. College athletic departments will need to tread very carefully how much they put paying athletes on other students.

Don’t know how it is at Minn, but at ISU if you’re a student that enters the ticket lottery and doesn’t get selected, that’d be a double blow to have to pay for facilities and still not get to buy tickets to go to the games.
 
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Their history of scandal really doesn't help them at all. I'm afraid they just don't have enough positives to outweigh it.

They are a fit geographically while adding new city/state/market. You could probably argue that after ACC, ND and UConn they are the top program not in Big Ten/SEC/Big 12. Certainly in the mix.

Unlike UConn I don't think they'd be some basketball powerhouse in the Big 12, they'd be like Cincy. Good enough to belong but just another team in a conference that is almost always top 2 conference. One could probably argue Cincy is a preview of what Memphis could be with a better reputation, there are a lot of similarities.
 
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Their history of scandal really doesn't help them at all. I'm afraid they just don't have enough positives to outweigh it.

They are a fit geographically while adding new city/state/market. You could probably argue that after ACC, ND and UConn they are the top program not in Big Ten/SEC/Big 12. Certainly in the mix.

Unlike UConn I don't think they'd be some basketball powerhouse in the Big 12, they'd be like Cincy. Good enough to belong but just another team in a conference that is almost always top 2 conference. One could probably argue Cincy is a preview of what Memphis could be with a better reputation, there are a lot of similarities.
Except Memphis has fed ex money, higher potential than Cincy because of that.
 

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Their history of scandal really doesn't help them at all. I'm afraid they just don't have enough positives to outweigh it.

They are a fit geographically while adding new city/state/market. You could probably argue that after ACC, ND and UConn they are the top program not in Big Ten/SEC/Big 12. Certainly in the mix.

Unlike UConn I don't think they'd be some basketball powerhouse in the Big 12, they'd be like Cincy. Good enough to belong but just another team in a conference that is almost always top 2 conference. One could probably argue Cincy is a preview of what Memphis could be with a better reputation, there are a lot of similarities.
The last thing the B12 needs is another commuter school with a trash off-campus football stadium/
 
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Except Memphis has fed ex money, higher potential than Cincy because of that.

Theoretically they had that for decades though yet Cincy was kind of their pier in basketball, superior in football, similar or better conference affiliation history and #2 public school in Ohio is probably more valuable than #2 public school in Tenn.

I see similarities though, it's tough to argue Cincy is some fantastic fit and Memphis is a horrible fit if not for the history of scandals.