Recruiting Needs Being Addressed

[Stormin]

I hope we land a bunch of difference makers, especially on defense, here in the last couple months before signing day, that can come in and play for us right away. But I will believe it when I see it.

My biggest problem is that 6 years in to your career as head coach, you should be bringing back a bunch of 3 and 4 year players with a ton of experience, and then at signing day you are just getting a bunch of talented high school kids to fill the cupboard with that you hope will be able to play a few years down the road when they are good and ready.

Instead, we are looking for a bunch of guys at the last minute that can hopefully come in and start for us all over the field at various positions. That is very worrisome, and it usually does not end well. It is not the way to build your football team and program at all.

And no, don't compare it to what Fred does.... that is basketball which is completely different.

Yes. Basketball is different. Much easier to turn things around in that sport as you only play 5 players at any one time and a single player can carry the team.

Pretty amazing that Bill Snyder had consecutive losing seasons in the 15th and 16th seasons at KSU and then retired........and then came back 4 years later. I bet the naysayers were pretty loud about that rehiring. One never knows.

 

[DuckDynastyCy]

We have Glaring needs at DT/NG and LB. I will be disappointed if we don't recruit at least 2 JUCOS at both those groups and maybe even 3 in the DL group. I want to see Meyers back at DE where he belongs. Without a MAJOR influx at LB and DL, we are gonna suck next year. And I'm tired of seeing DIV III boys playing LB. CPR Wally and Shane need to recruit to the Big 12 level. Sick of seeing crappy tackling and LB play!

 

[DarkStar]

I hope we land a bunch of difference makers, especially on defense, here in the last couple months before signing day, that can come in and play for us right away. But I will believe it when I see it.

My biggest problem is that 6 years in to your career as head coach, you should be bringing back a bunch of 3 and 4 year players with a ton of experience, and then at signing day you are just getting a bunch of talented high school kids to fill the cupboard with that you hope will be able to play a few years down the road when they are good and ready.

Instead, we are looking for a bunch of guys at the last minute that can hopefully come in and start for us all over the field at various positions. That is very worrisome, and it usually does not end well. It is not the way to build your football team and program at all.

And no, don't compare it to what Fred does.... that is basketball which is completely different.

You can't compare it to what Fred does because Fred actually gets players to want to stay here unlike CPR. Our defense wouldn't be so young if the players CPR recruited 3/4 years ago were still around.

 

[Dopey]

Speaking of recruiting, if you'd like to be disheartened, go look at texas tech's recruiting class for this year.

 

[clonehome]

Well, we lost 3 recent juco commits who all seemed like good prospects. All 3 lost to conference rivals. So let's see where it goes from here. Best thing we can do is figure out who Snyder is recruiting and put the full court press on them. He knows which jucos to recruit. SR has done some good things but there's no reason why Jake Waters was not recruited by ISU, being a legacy and an in-state kid. Not sure if he was even offered.

 

[khardbored]

What is the point of this thread? (if any)

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[jbindm]

I guess you never know. On the surface it looks like the staff is just throwing **** at the wall and seeing if anything sticks. But we'll know next year. I'm hopeful for better things to come and I want Rhoads to succeed in Ames, but the turnaround has to happen in 2015. If the football forums here are any indication CPR loses a little more support from the fanbase on a weekly basis, and he has to stop the bleeding sooner than later.

 

[Stormin]

Well, we lost 3 recent juco commits who all seemed like good prospects. All 3 lost to conference rivals. So let's see where it goes from here. Best thing we can do is figure out who Snyder is recruiting and put the full court press on them. He knows which jucos to recruit. SR has done some good things but there's no reason why Jake Waters was not recruited by ISU, being a legacy and an in-state kid. Not sure if he was even offered.

Tristan Nickelson is from Texas and was given a scholarship to Texas after he had committed to ISU. He had grown up a Longhorn fan. As far as the DT's are concerned, they wanted to play together and both committed here. Pegues has a daughter and a fiance who both liked Morgantown and wanted him to commit there.

So now you have more information as to the reason they flipped their commitments.

As far as Waters is concerned, his recruitment was taking place about the time of Sam Richardson's breakout game with Kansas during his RS Freshman season. And don't forget we still had Jared Barnett at that time as well. And Waters was a Juco. Does that information help?

 

[moo-u]

imho jake waters wouldnt be any better for us than any of the qbs we have now.

don't know why, but over the years? I see little to no development/improvement in our players
throughout their careers, and I don't believe I'm willing to lay that all on the players anymore.

And it's not just the players as individuals. How many games haven't we seen our entire team
apparently "unprepared" to play and get smacked around by UNI etc for example?

A coach (I always thought) is someone that coaches individuals and teams "UP" and I'm just not seeing it.

m.

 

[LindenCy]

I am respecting the other board......and Chris and the CF staff want that to be the case. Hopefully things fall the way we want and we do indeed get the guys we are after. And yet, I am betting the naysayers are still negative.

I hope we get our targets and next year is great, but after the past two years most fans are going to need to see results on the field.

 

[hoosman]

I wonder if there is any positive FB news that could be posted without a rebuttal by sniveling whiners .

 

[Stormin]

I wonder if there is any positive FB news that could be posted without a rebuttal by sniveling whiners .

No. We get a commit from a Juco lineman that has a mean streak and is planned to be a Center, and it is met with negative comments that he does not have enough offers. We could win 10 games next year and the whiners will respond that it is only a matter of time before we head back down and that CPR won with "Mangino's recruits". It is a never ending circle.

 

[heitclone]

No. We get a commit from a Juco lineman that has a mean streak and is planned to be a Center, and it is met with negative comments that he does not have enough offers. We could win 10 games next year and the whiners will respond that it is only a matter of time before we head back down and that CPR won with "Mangino's recruits". It is a never ending circle.

While I agree with what you're saying, I'm not sure theres anything this coaching staff has done that should give us confidence these recruits will have an impact. Look at juco recruiting from last year. Is it a coincidence our best current juco transfer player had an impressive offer list?

 

[Stormin]

While I agree with what you're saying, I'm not sure theres anything this coaching staff has done that should give us confidence these recruits will have an impact. Look at juco recruiting from last year. Is it a coincidence our best current juco transfer player had an impressive offer list?

Look at Juco recruiting from last year. We redshirted an injured Juco DE and an injured Juco DT. And we redshirted a Juco MLB who we felt was not quite ready and the decision was made to get him ready and have him get 2 good years instead of just 1 good year of actually playing.

IIRC, back in Rhoads first year we had the newcomer of the year in the Big 12 with Juco David Sims, who was instrumental in our success that year. Steele Jantz, Aaron Horne, Ernst Brun, EJ Bibbs, Colin Franklin, etc., etc. have all been good Juco recruits. This year we had a couple Juco's that were pretty good in Taylor and Pierson at DE, and with the names I mentioned I wouldn't say the Juco signings were a complete washout. We get the guys we are after at DT and the whole defense improves.

 

[Luth4Cy]

I hope we land a bunch of difference makers, especially on defense, here in the last couple months before signing day, that can come in and play for us right away. But I will believe it when I see it.

My biggest problem is that 6 years in to your career as head coach, you should be bringing back a bunch of 3 and 4 year players with a ton of experience, and then at signing day you are just getting a bunch of talented high school kids to fill the cupboard with that you hope will be able to play a few years down the road when they are good and ready.

Instead, we are looking for a bunch of guys at the last minute that can hopefully come in and start for us all over the field at various positions. That is very worrisome, and it usually does not end well. It is not the way to build your football team and program at all.

And no, don't compare it to what Fred does.... that is basketball which is completely different.

Every football team has holes to fill each season. We aren't alone in going JUCO to fill holes and have guys compete for starting positions.

 

[DumbFan]

Bump.

After today I feel that we need:
1. O-line help. We have weapons at WR and RB next year. Need some more OL options to open holes and protect the QB.
2. Quarterback who has a "no-lose" do whatever it takes, really vocal and a strong leader mentality with obviously the talent to back that up.
3. D-linemen who can get some pressure on the QB w/out ISU having to blitz
4. New D. Coordinator. If not a coordinator, at least a new philosophy.

What do y'all think seriously? I'm no expert so don't kill me on these. Just wonder what other folks' opinions are after the last game what everybody hopes we see on the recruiting trail with some new hopeful commits.

 

[Luth4Cy]

Bump.

After today I feel that we need:
1. O-line help. We have weapons at WR and RB next year. Need some more OL options to open holes and protect the QB.
2. Quarterback who has a "no-lose" do whatever it takes, really vocal and a strong leader mentality with obviously the talent to back that up.
3. D-linemen who can get some pressure on the QB w/out ISU having to blitz
4. New D. Coordinator. If not a coordinator, at least a new philosophy.

What do y'all think seriously? I'm no expert so don't kill me on these. Just wonder what other folks' opinions are after the last game what everybody hopes we see on the recruiting trail with some new hopeful commits.

I didn't see enough of today's game to make a good judgement on Sam's play. I've always thought most of the offensive issues were on the line.

I think a JUCO lineman or two will be okay, but I'm hopeful year two with Blaney will be a lot better.

Defensive line is where to go after guys, which the staff is. After that I'd say a cornerback who can compete to play and maybe an outside linebacker.

 

[Wesley]

And that is the risk with JUCO's. They come from playing in an undisciplined system where they just run around and make tackles to a system in which they have specific assignments. Sometimes it takes them time to make the adjustment and in this case we were lucky he had redshirt year to use and get adjusted.

That may not be all bad.

 

[CloneIce]

Need LB and DL help the most. But really we can use more at about every position except WR.

 

[ISUFan22]

Desperate for help with:

offensive line
defensive line
linebacker

When any program struggles the way ISU has been - it's almost always due to some or all of those areas. ISU has been very bad in all 3 and obviously has struggled last 2 seasons. Struggled put lightly.

So you obviously stsrt with those areas. You gotta win in the trenches and have good linebackers to compete. Look at ISU's best seasons. All of them, good play in those spots.