RECRUITING: Temple transfer Jeremiah Williams commits to Iowa State

[cyfan92]

I think we’re going to like this guy.

Hunter
Williams
Scoring combo Transfer who can shoot 3's
Jaz/King
Brasile/transfer 5

Gabe as the 6th man

Sign me up. I think Gabe's energy and tough defense would be an ELITE advantage. Almost every good team has a key 6th guy who comes in and has an immediate impact

 

[isucy86]

He was one of the worst shooting guards in basketball but took 170 3Ps. That's not exactly a product of leadership. It wasn't as much as the offense was bad and therefore put Gabe in a bad spot. The offense was bad in large part because Gabe.

He's a former good shooter that is still adjusting to being a bad shooter imo. He's never been what he tried to do last year, and even then, his last year at Minn wasn't pretty either, which seems to not just be temporal from injury.

I'm glad he's returning in the sense of establishing the DNA of the program. I think he'll improve this offseason or his role will be different. If he can somehow get back to his underclassmen ways, it is a game changer for this offense. Definitely worth seeing if he can, although I'm not sure what will facilitate the change.

Gabe's main struggles on the offensive side of the ball were in 2 main areas: 3 pt shooting and turnovers. I think people tend to forget that Gabe shot 49% on his 2 point shots- better than Brockington or Hunter. So his shot wasn't all bad. There may be a physical element to his shooting 23.5% from 3 this past season- but IMO the issue is between his ears. That is based on HOW bad he missed some of his shots. Maybe he can get his mojo back from 3 with hard work over the summer.

I disagree that Gabe caused the offense to be bad. A guy doesn't lead your team in 3 point attempts when he is only shooting 23.5% because the coaches wanted him to be our main 3 point threat! It indicates to me we lacked 3 point shooters who could get their shot consistently. Our player with the next most 3 point attempts on the roster was our 6th man- Grill. Pretty clear that we lacked high volume/high % 3 point shooters in our starting lineup.

Hopefully the staff gets our 3 point shooting issue solved in the offseason and Gabe can be a 3rd/4th option in shooting from 3 until he proves otherwise in 2022/23.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Gabe's main struggles on the offensive side of the ball were in 2 main areas: 3 pt shooting and turnovers. I think people tend to forget that Gabe shot 49% on his 2 point shots- better than Brockington or Hunter. So his shot wasn't all bad. There may be a physical element to his shooting 23.5% from 3 this past season- but IMO the issue is between his ears. That is based on HOW bad he missed some of his shots. Maybe he can get his mojo back from 3 with hard work over the summer.

I disagree that Gabe caused the offense to be bad. A guy doesn't lead your team in 3 point attempts when he is only shooting 23.5% because the coaches wanted him to be our main 3 point threat! It indicates to me we lacked 3 point shooters who could get their shot consistently. Our player with the next most 3 point attempts on the roster was our 6th man- Grill. Pretty clear that we lacked high volume/high % 3 point shooters in our starting lineup.

Hopefully the staff gets our 3 point shooting issue solved in the offseason and Gabe can be a 3rd/4th option in shooting from 3 until he proves otherwise in 2022/23.

Yeah, his three point attempts indicate to me that it's 100% in his head. Like he's trying to guide the ball through the bucket. Kind of like a golfer with the shanks. You start rethinking every element of your swing, and it screws everything up.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Gabe's main struggles on the offensive side of the ball were in 2 main areas: 3 pt shooting and turnovers. I think people tend to forget that Gabe shot 49% on his 2 point shots- better than Brockington or Hunter. So his shot wasn't all bad. There may be a physical element to his shooting 23.5% from 3 this past season- but IMO the issue is between his ears. That is based on HOW bad he missed some of his shots. Maybe he can get his mojo back from 3 with hard work over the summer.

I disagree that Gabe caused the offense to be bad. A guy doesn't lead your team in 3 point attempts when he is only shooting 23.5% because the coaches wanted him to be our main 3 point threat! It indicates to me we lacked 3 point shooters who could get their shot consistently. Our player with the next most 3 point attempts on the roster was our 6th man- Grill. Pretty clear that we lacked high volume/high % 3 point shooters in our starting lineup.

Hopefully the staff gets our 3 point shooting issue solved in the offseason and Gabe can be a 3rd/4th option in shooting from 3 until he proves otherwise in 2022/23.

We also just had no other options on offense once you got past Brockington and Hunter. And sometimes Hunter struggled a lot too. I'm hoping Gabe can take less shots next year and just be more efficient because we have a few more options on offense

 

[WhoISthis]

Yeah, his three point attempts indicate to me that it's 100% in his head. Like he's trying to guide the ball through the bucket. Kind of like a golfer with the shanks. You start rethinking every element of your swing, and it screws everything up.

Searching and struggling for a shot you can replicate isn’t mental. It’s just being a bad 3P shooter.

Fultz used to be a good shooter, and injury changed that. Has Gabe ever been the sane after his hand injury? He’s starting over again in that regard. His shot looks like what you see from kids in which it’s rarely the same. Sometimes it looks fluid and good, but it’s fleeting.

 

[isucy86]

Yeah, his three point attempts indicate to me that it's 100% in his head. Like he's trying to guide the ball through the bucket. Kind of like a golfer with the shanks. You start rethinking every element of your swing, and it screws everything up.

Yep.

Reminds me of Chuck Knoblauch when he got the yips and sturggled to complete the throw from 2nd to 1st base. It's almost impossible to comprehend that a MLB player's mental struggles would get in the way of making a throw he had completed since childhood.

 

[isucy86]

Searching and struggling for a shot you can replicate isn’t mental. It’s just being a bad 3P shooter.

Fultz used to be a good shooter, and injury changed that. Has Gabe ever been the sane after his hand injury? He’s starting over again in that regard. His shot looks like what you see from kids in which it’s rarely the same. Sometimes it looks fluid and good, but it’s fleeting.

Gabe wasn't the same before his hand injury!

The article from SI.com that was linked in this thread was dated around Feb. 20, 2021. The hand injury sidelining Gabe for the rest of the year happened in a game earlier that week. So Gabe was shooting 24% from 3 over the 3.5 months prior to the injury.

IMO, that indicates the issue is between his ears. A guy doesn't miss 3 points shots by 2 feet due to an injury or bad form. His release is crazy off.

 

[Cyforce]

Yep.

Reminds me of Chuck Knoblauch when he got the yips and sturggled to complete the throw from 2nd to 1st base. It's almost impossible to comprehend that a MLB player's mental struggles would get in the way of making a throw he had completed since childhood.

Steve Sax beat Sandberg out for rookie of the year same issue.

 

[madguy30]

Yep.

Reminds me of Chuck Knoblauch when he got the yips and sturggled to complete the throw from 2nd to 1st base. It's almost impossible to comprehend that a MLB player's mental struggles would get in the way of making a throw he had completed since childhood.

There was a long playoff stretch when Michael Jordan got the yips one year from the free throw line--'93?

I remember clips of him shooting and shooting and shooting to break it.

 

[Stormin]

Searching and struggling for a shot you can replicate isn’t mental. It’s just being a bad 3P shooter.

Fultz used to be a good shooter, and injury changed that. Has Gabe ever been the sane after his hand injury? He’s starting over again in that regard. His shot looks like what you see from kids in which it’s rarely the same. Sometimes it looks fluid and good, but it’s fleeting.

Gabe led the team in taking 27 Charges. Add in 43 steals on top of that. Yes. He struggled with 3P shooting. Also carried the team if on a roll. Hopefully this next year is better and Gabe returns. That would be a huge loss.

 

[cyclonehomer]

Gabe led the team in taking 27 Charges. Add in 43 steals on top of that. Yes. He struggled with 3P shooting. Also carried the team if on a roll. Hopefully this next year is better and Gabe returns. That would be a huge loss.

Maybe I'm a year early on this but I feel like Jeremiah Williams brings a lot of the same things, except at least also creates for his teammates at a much more consistent level.

I'm not saying I don't want Gabe back, I do think he'll help the team next year. He obviously was and will continue to be a great leader on the team and is a great perimeter defender. But I don't think it's nearly the loss that Brockington was if for some reason he didn't return.

 

[Stormin]

Maybe I'm a year early on this but I feel like Jeremiah Williams brings a lot of the same things, except at least also creates for his teammates at a much more consistent level.

I'm not saying I don't want Gabe back, I do think he'll help the team next year. He obviously was and will continue to be a great leader on the team and is a great perimeter defender. But I don't think it's nearly the loss that Brockington was if for some reason he didn't return.

Brockington is a huge loss. Gabe would be a big loss.

Gabe was a Co-Captain at Minnesota before coming to Iowa State. 3 year starter at a P5 School. Was Minnesota’s best defender. Iowa State Defense utilized his defensive skills to become an elite defense.

Those focused on his 3 pt. struggles are overlooking so many things. Gabe had been in a slump. Then injury. He has struggled with his confidence. Needs to get it back.

 

[cyclonehomer]

Brockington is a huge loss. Gabe would be a big loss.

Gabe was a Co-Captain at Minnesota before coming to Iowa State. 3 year starter at a P5 School. Was Minnesota’s best defender. Iowa State Defense utilized his defensive skills to become an elite defense.

Those focused on his 3 pt. struggles are overlooking so many things. Gabe had been in a slump. Then injury. He has struggled with his confidence. Needs to get it back.

Realistically, I think his mechanics are just really inconsistent. The arc on his shot varied wildly from shot to shot, some games he'd be putting up moonshots and others it would look basically completely normal. I know everyone says "it's all in his head", but I just don't think he shoots nearly as often if that's the case. I haven't put much work into trying to identify exactly what, but he missed all over the board. Not like it was just all short or something. Maybe he can fix that this year. Regardless, I imagine he's back and plays a lot next year. I'm just hoping it's a smaller role, especially on offense.

 

[BallSoHard4Cy]

Gabe was the 4th best defender on the team last year.

#1Hunter, IB and Jaz were all better in my opinion

Gabe was the best defender on the team and only Hunter was close to him. I swear to god this fanbase thinks defense is only steals, blocks, and drawing charges.

 

[Stormin]

Realistically, I think his mechanics are just really inconsistent. The arc on his shot varied wildly from shot to shot, some games he'd be putting up moonshots and others it would look basically completely normal. I know everyone says "it's all in his head", but I just don't think he shoots nearly as often if that's the case. I haven't put much work into trying to identify exactly what, but he missed all over the board. Not like it was just all short or something. Maybe he can fix that this year. Regardless, I imagine he's back and plays a lot next year. I'm just hoping it's a smaller role, especially on offense.

Watched Texas at Hilton replay. Gabe carried us. 22 points on 6 3-pointers. When he’s hot he’s hot.

 

[cyclonehomer]

Watched Texas at Hilton replay. Gabe carried us. 22 points on 6 3-pointers. When he’s hot he’s hot.

I understand he was awesome in like, 4 or 5 games. I think you're underestimating how bad he was otherwise. I would much rather have a guy never go off and also never have games where they're 0-7 from the field, 0-5 from three, with 4 turnovers and 0 assists than have them be really good 15% of the time while killing you the other games.

 

[WhoISthis]

Gabe wasn't the same before his hand injury!

The article from SI.com that was linked in this thread was dated around Feb. 20, 2021. The hand injury sidelining Gabe for the rest of the year happened in a game earlier that week. So Gabe was shooting 24% from 3 over the 3.5 months prior to the injury.

IMO, that indicates the issue is between his ears. A guy doesn't miss 3 points shots by 2 feet due to an injury or bad form. His release is crazy off.

He's shooting 24% on his last 280 3P attempts. It is not really mental or between the ears anymore it is for any other bad 3P shooter, anyway. He just isn't a good 3P shooter anymore. His release and shot have been off and inconsistent shot-to-shot for a long time now.

I mean, yes, his brain does control the motion of his shot. Every bad 3P shooter struggles to find a shot they can consistently make 3Ps with. Very few get as many game reps as he has gotten to find it.

We've had a lot of bad shooters that have improved and I hope he can do similar. We can be very good if he and Williams get to even 30% level. The year the line got moved back he was 34%, and that would be a huge bonus. Would push the team up an entire tier.

 

[cyfan92]

Starting guards, in bar far the best conference in America simply cannot play great for 6 games a year and be a complete liability for 2/3 of the season. That's the role of a backup/bench guard.

I think Gabe as the first or second player off the bench would elevate himself and Iowa State tremendously! I want that role for him. Especially playing that level of defense in practice every day

 

[cyclonehomer]

He's shooting 24% on his last 280 3P attempts. It is not really mental or between the ears anymore it is for any other bad 3P shooter, anyway. He just isn't a good 3P shooter anymore. His release and shot have been off and inconsistent shot-to-shot for a long time now.

I mean, yes, his brain does control the motion of his shot. Every bad 3P shooter struggles to find a shot they can consistently make 3Ps with. Very few get as many game reps as he has gotten to find it.

We've had a lot of bad shooters that have improved and I hope he can do similar. We can be very good if he and Williams get to even 30% level. The year the line got moved back he was 34%, and that would be like signing a 2-star and a 5-star showing up.

If Gabe can be a (much lower) low volume shooter from deep but hits 30ish% from there it would be a huge help.

 

[allfourcy]

If Gabe can be a (much lower) low volume shooter from deep but hits 30ish% from there it would be a huge help.

I really do hope his Wisconsin game emphasized to himself when, where, and how he's at his best.