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Mitchell Mesenbrink 165/174 and Roman Rogotzke 184 are a couple guys in the portal right now that fit the bill. Mitchell is easily the biggest prize for any team. If O’Toole does indeed go 174 then I see Mitchell going to Missouri
 
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I have to disagree that these guys are good fits for ISU. I understand the idea of strengthening each weight but we should only accept legit AA candidates with a year left (maybe 2 years for 285). I’m not convinced Messenbrink is better than Gaitan and he will cost big $. I wouldn’t offer $ to a potential starter or depth transfer.

We have a very strong base especially when you add the 2023 & 2024 classes. On paper, only 184 & 285 are potential issues next year assuming Yonger doesn’t bump up. Again, a 1-year high AA transfer at any weight would be a take otherwise stay the course except the upper weights.
 
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I have to disagree that these guys are good fits for ISU. I understand the idea of strengthening each weight but we should only accept legit AA candidates with a year left (maybe 2 years for 285). I’m not convinced Messenbrink is better than Gaitan and he will cost big $. I wouldn’t offer $ to a potential starter or depth transfer.

We have a very strong base especially when you add the 2023 & 2024 classes. On paper, only 184 & 285 are potential issues next year assuming Yonger doesn’t bump up. Again, a 1-year high AA transfer at any weight would be a take otherwise stay the course except the upper weights.
We have many holes. We are a blue blood program we should think higher of this program. Kysen is a hole at 125 he isn’t good enough. He’s so inconsistent. We should be in talks with some of these big transfers. If Shane Griffith comes on the market we should be on him bad. And then get nevills at HWT
 

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I have to disagree that these guys are good fits for ISU. I understand the idea of strengthening each weight but we should only accept legit AA candidates with a year left (maybe 2 years for 285). I’m not convinced Messenbrink is better than Gaitan and he will cost big $. I wouldn’t offer $ to a potential starter or depth transfer.

We have a very strong base especially when you add the 2023 & 2024 classes. On paper, only 184 & 285 are potential issues next year assuming Yonger doesn’t bump up. Again, a 1-year high AA transfer at any weight would be a take otherwise stay the course except the upper weights.
I wouldn’t mind Rogatzke (especially if you can get Ryder to come too who is signed with Ohio State)
 
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We have many holes. We are a blue blood program we should think higher of this program. Kysen is a hole at 125 he isn’t good enough. He’s so inconsistent. We should be in talks with some of these big transfers. If Shane Griffith comes on the market we should be on him bad. And then get nevills at HWT
Thank you…I’m wanting to see that belief of ISU wrestling as a blue-blood return and the culture of the program built on that in the way we conduct our business…even if we aren’t getting funded like a blue blood currently by JP, create a product in the mat that demands it!
 
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I have to disagree that these guys are good fits for ISU. I understand the idea of strengthening each weight but we should only accept legit AA candidates with a year left (maybe 2 years for 285). I’m not convinced Messenbrink is better than Gaitan and he will cost big $. I wouldn’t offer $ to a potential starter or depth transfer.

We have a very strong base especially when you add the 2023 & 2024 classes. On paper, only 184 & 285 are potential issues next year assuming Yonger doesn’t bump up. Again, a 1-year high AA transfer at any weight would be a take otherwise stay the course except the upper weights.
I’ve already said I am all for developing guys rather than recruiting over. That said, Mitchell - not sure if he is a 157/165/174 but I doubt he’s a 174 - is going to be a title contender. To think he isn’t a good fit is crazy
 

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Thank you…I’m wanting to see that belief of ISU wrestling as a blue-blood return and the culture of the program built on that in the way we conduct our business…even if we aren’t getting funded like a blue blood currently by JP, create a product in the mat that demands it!
We just have to demand more. I mean before Iowa got the brands they got 5th or so but they weren’t in the top 3 and people were raising hell about it. This program has the ability to get back to the glory days but we just can’t be afraid to get to studs we should be in contention with the big schools. But what hurts us we don’t got that big 10 like big 10 schools have
 
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We just have to demand more. I mean before Iowa got the brands they got 5th or so but they weren’t in the top 3 and people were raising hell about it. This program has the ability to get back to the glory days but we just can’t be afraid to get to studs we should be in contention with the big schools. But what hurts us we don’t got that big 10 like big 10 schools have
We don’t got Big 10 money
 

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We just have to demand more. I mean before Iowa got the brands they got 5th or so but they weren’t in the top 3 and people were raising hell about it. This program has the ability to get back to the glory days but we just can’t be afraid to get to studs we should be in contention with the big schools. But what hurts us we don’t got that big 10 like big 10 schools have
Agreed, Im a football guy first and have grown to love wrestling with our boys getting involved. When CMC took the job I was skeptical of his "belief" in turning ISU around but he and his staff have and changed the perception and direction of not only football but all ISU athletics. Absolutely no reason wrestling shouldn't have that same belief and GOAL. "Rising Tide Raises all Ships" applies directly to Olympic sports and with CyTown coming everyone should be set to experience an uptick and be backed to maximize their output. Dont want to be the "little brother" to Iowa then put your money where your mouth is, get it done
 

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DeSanto did that second thing and the Brands boys had no problem with it.

The difference is DeSanto said it while lashing out in the heat of the moment. Ferrari did it and used firearms to follow up the comment.

We want NO part of the Ferraris. I’d rather finish outside the top 10 every year. They will blow things up for Iowa and it will be interesting to watch. Just hope no one gets hurt. Disaster averted for us.
 
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The HWC is building a war chest. Not to PSU level but they can play an an NIL realm where we cannot.
I don’t disagree. There’s a lot of money in those places. But I think we can play in the NIL realm more than most might think.
 
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The HWC is building a war chest. Not to PSU level but they can play an an NIL realm where we cannot.
I don’t disagree. There’s a lot of money in those places. But I think we can play in the NIL realm more than most might think.
This is what I want to understand, where do we stand? Are we indeed light years behind or are we starting to pick up steam with the resurgence of the program. Is it a combination of wealthy donors backing said programs, more alumni support necessary?

Does JP like to see "x" amount of "organic" support before he comes behind and fully pushes the chips in? SEZ took Sukup's to jump in to push that through, CMC has early success partnered with TV money and now CyTown is a reality. Is it similar to football in keeping up with the "standard" within the conference or those you are competing against on a national level? Yes we are not in the Big 10, but if we are to keep up with Ok State and Missouri, one could argue we may be slipping to them, atleast with Ok State and their recent facility upgrade,
 

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Devine has a job waiting for him in Osage
He'll be in the Osage room about 2 hours after he gets to town. It'll be nice for that program to get a much needed boost. (Good for Joel, he seems like a great kid. And good for Osage. That community and school have built a helluva program. As the dad of a wrestler at another, much less powerful TIC school, I'm just jealous.)
This is what I want to understand, where do we stand? Are we indeed light years behind or are we starting to pick up steam with the resurgence of the program. Is it a combination of wealthy donors backing said programs, more alumni support necessary?

Does JP like to see "x" amount of "organic" support before he comes behind and fully pushes the chips in? SEZ took Sukup's to jump in to push that through, CMC has early success partnered with TV money and now CyTown is a reality. Is it similar to football in keeping up with the "standard" within the conference or those you are competing against on a national level? Yes we are not in the Big 10, but if we are to keep up with Ok State and Missouri, one could argue we may be slipping to them, atleast with Ok State and their recent facility upgrade,
The Sukup family has done more for athletics at ISU in the last 15 years than any single donor or group of donors I can think of. The most encouraging thing I've seen lately was the pic of Dresser at the Vikings game with the Sukups. Getting them on board at even a fraction of what they've done for bball and football would be a huge boost for the wrestling program.
 

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I’ve already said I am all for developing guys rather than recruiting over. That said, Mitchell - not sure if he is a 157/165/174 but I doubt he’s a 174 - is going to be a title contender. To think he isn’t a good fit is cra
We have many holes. We are a blue blood program we should think higher of this program. Kysen is a hole at 125 he isn’t good enough. He’s so inconsistent. We should be in talks with some of these big transfers. If Shane Griffith comes on the market we should be on him bad. And then get nevills at HWT
All but about 5 or so teams would take our 125 room in a second as long as they are healthy and in good standing. Sure if one of the top 5 guys want to come our direction without breaking the bank sure I would take them.

No one is happy with a 11th place finish but going out and trying to buy wrestlers at every weight that doesn’t return an AA is extremely short sighted and the best way to ruin a program and spend all CRTC money.

There is only 2 portal guy that I know of that we should reach out to in Nevills and Messenbrink. That is if Messenbrink can make 157 for a year and then bump up.
 

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All but about 5 or so teams would take our 125 room in a second as long as they are healthy and in good standing. Sure if one of the top 5 guys want to come our direction without breaking the bank sure I would take them.

No one is happy with a 11th place finish but going out and trying to buy wrestlers at every weight that doesn’t return an AA is extremely short sighted and the best way to ruin a program and spend all CRTC money.

There is only 2 portal guy that I know of that we should reach out to in Nevills and Messenbrink. That is if Messenbrink can make 157 for a year and then bump up.
I'd add Yaraslau Slavikouski to the list, don't know Yongers plans but he was the 6 seed from Harvard. I am thinking we will be in the conversation.