REPORT: Matt Leo is still signed with ISU (so Gunnerclone won't pee his pants...again)

TheJackWePack5

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The Dline is ISU's weakest position on the defense. He will be on campus soon and had Oklahoma recruiting him. It would be a huge miss if this guy wasn't a starter. Same for the other JUCO on the dline. They are being brought in for immediate help.

I agree that D-line is our weakest unit, but I disagree with the bolded part. Leo has the build to immediately play, but he's only been playing football for a few years and it could take him a few games to get acclimated.

I also think we have the depth at DE to make it so he isn't depended on as much in the first few games. We will guys like Bailey, Waggoner, and Benton to lean on early. (I know Waggoner and Benton aren't world beaters but they are grinders). Then you throw in a few guys who the coaches have raved about this offseason Uwazurike and Lensing(who I've heard has been the biggest surprise of the 2016 class).

I also believe a major reason that Cordarrius Bailey is coming to ISU is because they want to play him early, and with the DE recruit numbers, they can.

I expect Leo to be heavily involved mid year, but there are enough guys there to work him in and get him ready in the first few games.
 
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Who cares when and how much he will play? It's only more DEPTH!!!!! Welcome Matt, and may the best man win his position.
 
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clonedude

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I think Leo has the potential to be a replacement for Jhaustin Thomas. Similar build and abilities IMO. He can play end or on the inside- interchangeable depending on the situation. That is very valuable.

It would be sweet if Leo could play the Leo position though, duh.
 

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I love his raw athletic ability and his strength, but I wasn't overly impressed with his hurl video. It just looked to me like he bullrushed and overpowered a lot of those guys, which he won't do in the Big 12. Im really excited about the pickup and think he will be great, but we need to temper expectations right away. Everyone thought Stewart would be an immediate starter and stud, and I believe he RS.
I don't see that at all.... Did you listen to Woody's run down on why to be excited about Leo? Bull rushing is one thing but doing it at 6'7" where your pads are lower than your opponents shows great skill for a big man, I also think he has great hands which is huge on the end as you can see with David Irvings skills when he learns the positions more. I think this kids does have some ways to go to be D1 and Big12 player, but I believe the starting pieces are better than any player we have ever recruited since I have tracked recruiting at Iowa State....
 

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In my experience, jucos are not always the instant relief fans may think they are when they sign. Because they've been out of high school for a year or two, they are often more physically developed than HS guys so look great in pictures. But a wise coach once told me there's about 3 reasons kids go to juco and they're not always great ones.

Some times, a kid went that route as he felt he was good enough, needed to get bigger and was willing to work his ass off to get there. That's a great reason. Plus you can see it on the field and he's typically a fairly safe choice. Some times kids had academic issues that forced them to juco. This one is a little sketchier. If they've worked hard and got themselves in great standing, good for them. If they continued to struggle at the juco level, pretty big red flag. The other big one is character/off field troubles. This is a really tough one, as it isn't always apparent that they've been "fixed". It can manifest itself in a lot of ways once they had off to big boy football. And all of it is clouded by being tough to evaluate due to level of competition.

Without going into full analysis, I looked at TCU's juco class from last year as they were the top juco class for the year. They signed 6 top 80 juco players, including 3 of the top 9 (247 rankings):
  • Taj Williams (WR) was the #6 overall player and was a 4-star recruit. Started opening day and #1 on the depth chart at the end of the year.
  • Tyree Horton (OLB) was the #8 overall player and a 4-star recruit. Dismissed from team on October 18th.
  • Ryan Parker (WR) was the #9 overall player and was a 4-star recruit. Not on depth chart either beginning or end of the year. Appears to have not made it or left due to grades.
  • Markel Simmons (CB) was the #52 overall player and a 3-star recruit. Played sparingly in back up role. Recorded 5 tackles.
  • Matt Boesen (WDE) was the #53 overall player and a 3-star recruit. Played as a backup in 10 games, recording 28 tackles, half of which were in a 2 game stretch where the starter was injured.
  • Chris Gaynor (OT) was the #80 overall player and a 3-star recruit. Played in 4 games, started 0.
So, for TCU, it was a mixed bag. Iowa State actually had 4 top 101 juco guys in 2015 and had similar mixed results:
  • Demond Tucker was the #38 overall player in that class.
  • Jaypee Philpert was the #80 overall player in that class.
  • Bobby Leath was the #95 player in that class.
  • Kendall Williams was the #101 player in that class.
Not trying to dampen spirits here. Some of these guys will work out. But to start saying that a defensive line made up of all juco guys may be the best DL in a long time the day they sign is asking a lot, even with our history at DL.


I get your point and its a good one. What you didn't mention however is that one could argue that a significant number of the most talented players to suit up at isu were junior college kids.

Seneca Wallace, Dobbins, Loyd, Tucker, Rubin, groce, waters, and many others.

Iowa State needs to recruit juco players. I wish they would recruit more juco linebackers as they have had more success there.
 
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clonedude

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I get your point and its a good one. What you didn't mention however is that one could argue that a significant number of the most talented players to suit up at isu were junior college kids.

Seneca Wallace, Dobbins, Loyd, Tucker, Rubin, groce, waters, and many others.

Iowa State needs to recruit juco players. I wish they would recruit more juco linebackers as they have had more success there.

Like any recruit, it really is a crapshoot. It would be interesting to see if JUCOs or High School kids have a higher success rate at contributing.

It's true some of ISU's best players ever have been JUCO's, but a fair share of our best players have also been high school recruits too.

For every Seneca Wallace, I'm sure there are 5 JUCOs who don't end up contributing at all. Same with high school kids too I assume. Like I said, it would be interesting to see the numbers. With JUCOs you are just getting a kid that is supposedly ready to play right away physically, however, you are also getting a kid that might have already developed some poor techniques at the JUCO level that are hard to get out of them.
 

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I would say you have the best chance of success with the Juco kids that are recruited over the long haul. The coaches have evaluated them and feel they can play. The kids that are offered late are less likely to be successful. In many cases, coaches are just rolling the dice to try and fill a hole. I think that is the difference between the Jucos last year and the ones we are getting this year. Or at least I hope so.
 

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