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2forISU

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Okay, I contribute to my company 401K and is split between a traditional and a roth. I'm trying to max out out. Can I only max out to 18,000 in these accounts combined or 18,000 in the traditional and 5,500 in the Roth?
Max out your 401K first and then the Roth.
 

Trice

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Why? I would do the 401K up the company match to fully utilize the free money, then go back to the IRA for the next $5,500, then if you want to do more than that go back to the 401K. Seems like there are more options/flexibility with an IRA vs a 401K.

This is what I would recommend as well. Though (going from memory here) he wanted to max both out in which case the order of operations is moot.

But in general, the more money you can invest/control on your own, as opposed to being in an employer-sponsored plan, the better off you are. That means, as you stated above, using the employer-sponsored plan only enough to get the match then shifting to an IRA. It means whenever you leave jobs, don't roll your 401(k) into your employer's new plan - roll it over to an IRA. This way you control it and can invest it or move it to another company whenever you like.

There are exceptions of course - if you have a truly great employer plan, for example.
 
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Dopey

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Technically, it did increase her assets, but not her net worth or equity. Over time it will, but right after construction her equity should not have gone up.

Before someone builds, they have $50,000 in the bank. For simplicity this is their only asset so they have a $50,000 net worth. Build a $300,000 house, put $50,000, borrow $250,000.....they still have a $50,000 net worth. It didn't magically make them worth more.

Over time as they pay the mortgage down their net worth will go up faster than it was while renting, as long as the interest, taxes, and insurance portion of their payment is less than what they were paying for rent before building.
 
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Don't think their NET worth stays at $50,000 after borrowing $250,000.

But everyone tends to have a different definition of what they include in the "net worth" calculation. But if you're going to include the $50,000 of home equity as a good guy, you should probably include the $250,000 home loan as a bad guy. I'd say their net worth is -$250,000 due to their $300,000 valued home.

This is probably what the guy up to his eyeballs in furniture debt was trying to say?


Net worth is finacial/economic definition and is Assets minus Liabilities. It's not up for debate. $300,000 in assets minus $250,000 in liabilities = $50,000 in net worth. Think of it as what you family could sell all your crap for, pay all of your debts off, and have left when you die.
 

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The house would have to have a market value of $300,000 not just be built for it. It could be worth more or less depending on several factors. Sorry now I made things difficult for some of you.
 

2forISU

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Why? I would do the 401K up the company match to fully utilize the free money, then go back to the IRA for the next $5,500, then if you want to do more than that go back to the 401K. Seems like there are more options/flexibility with an IRA vs a 401K.
Fair point. The downside of a Roth IRA is that you lose the immediate tax deduction that you get with a 401(k) contribution.
 

DeereClone

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Fair point. The downside of a Roth IRA is that you lose the immediate tax deduction that you get with a 401(k) contribution.

You could set your IRA up as a traditional if you wanted the tax deduction today and still get the flexibility/options that were discussed above.
 

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Don't think their NET worth stays at $50,000 after borrowing $250,000.

But everyone tends to have a different definition of what they include in the "net worth" calculation. But if you're going to include the $50,000 of home equity as a good guy, you should probably include the $250,000 home loan as a bad guy. I'd say their net worth is -$250,000 due to their $300,000 valued home.

This is probably what the guy up to his eyeballs in furniture debt was trying to say?

I have no idea what you are talking about here.
 

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Don't think their NET worth stays at $50,000 after borrowing $250,000.

But everyone tends to have a different definition of what they include in the "net worth" calculation. But if you're going to include the $50,000 of home equity as a good guy, you should probably include the $250,000 home loan as a bad guy. I'd say their net worth is -$250,000 due to their $300,000 valued home.

This is probably what the guy up to his eyeballs in furniture debt was trying to say?

Home equity = market value - outstanding mortgage balance.

So my understanding is for your net worth calculations to be accurate you would put one of:

1) Home equity value in assets
2) Home value in assets and mortgage balance in liabilities
 

Dopey

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Net worth is finacial/economic definition and is Assets minus Liabilities. It's not up for debate. $300,000 in assets minus $250,000 in liabilities = $50,000 in net worth. Think of it as what you family could sell all your crap for, pay all of your debts off, and have left when you die.


Goodness. I don't know wtf i was talking about either.

Sorry
 
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Mtowncyclone13

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I'm lucky that my company still has a pension and has a very generous 401k match. I've been there 6 years and have accumulated almost 120k in my 401k. I put in 6% and they put in 10%. I also put 1% to buying company stock. I know some people say not to do this, but i dont think they are going bankrupt anytime soon. They are still raking in the profits every year.

What company is that? Wanna hire me?
 

Mtowncyclone13

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These threads are funny. People either say they have nothing or "are doing very well" without giving a number. No one ever comes out and says what they have except the op.