Rhoads' Contract

[FarminCy]

Do you think it was a coincidence we were only good when the Big 12 North was down and we had an extremely soft schedule? In McCarney's awful years (2003, 2006) we played both Texas and Oklahoma. In 2003, we played 5 ranked teams and finished 2-10 (0-8). In 2006, we played 4 ranked teams and finished 4-8 (1-7). In 2004, we played 2 ranked teams (one was Iowa, no OU/Texas) and finished 7-5 (4-4). And in 2005, we played 2 ranked teams (one was Iowa, no OU/Texas) and finished 7-5 (4-4).

Sure, I'd love to go back to winning 7 games each year but I highly doubt McCarney would have ever done so with OU and Texas and a 9th conference game on the schedule each year. We need to compare apples to apples here.

In 2002 ISU played OU and Texas and finished 4-4 in the conference, more conference wins in one season than Chiz and CPR have done even in 09 when CPR got to avoid OU and Tex.

I'm not saying I want Mac back as I don't. Fact is CPR now has 9 chances to win more than 3 conference games and he never has. People rip on Mac's records without OU and UT. CPR's best year was without OU and UT and still only got 3 conference wins.

I"m sure the Mac haters will now accuse me of wanting Mac back. Just pointing out some stats.

 

[FarminCy]

So he was being a horrible dad last year when he didn't go to his daughters soccer game? Got it.

Or could it be this is his daughter's first year of soccer.

 

[BryceC]

This schedule is pretty tough in the early going and we have a very young.

The defense is young. The offense is probably the most experienced in the big 12 and they looked HORRIBLE once NDSU switched to man d.

 

[Nuts4Cy]

The defense is young. The offense is probably the most experienced in the big 12 and they looked HORRIBLE once NDSU switched to man d.

Why are we still rebuilding with a young defense in year 6? At this point we should have had enough depth to where we are only playing upperclassmen and the rare underclassmen who is just too good to keep off the field.

 

[cycloneworld]

Barring an 0-fer season I think everybody knows rhoads will be back even if they don't want him to be. I'm not going to call for him to be fired but if Iowa State isn't in a bowl in 2015, I'm giving up my season tickets as a no brainer, there would be so many cheap ones on stubhub and deals in 2016 that getting season tickets will no longer be worth it.

In 2002 ISU played OU and Texas and finished 4-4 in the conference, more conference wins in one season than Chiz and CPR have done even in 09 when CPR got to avoid OU and Tex.

I'm not saying I want Mac back as I don't. Fact is CPR now has 9 chances to win more than 3 conference games and he never has. People rip on Mac's records without OU and UT. CPR's best year was without OU and UT and still only got 3 conference wins.

I"m sure the Mac haters will now accuse me of wanting Mac back. Just pointing out some stats.

All good and fair points. Tough to pull out one year and compare though. But I agree with you, so far Mac's had more success than Rhoads.

Last year sucked, that's for sure. But prior to that year, its crystal clear that Rhoads has fielded much more competitive teams. But with last year and how this year is looking, the slide backwards is my biggest concern. But I believe we can right the ship with Rhoads. And if we can't after next year, then I think a change may be needed.

 

[cycloneworld]

Why are we still rebuilding with a young defense in year 6? At this point we should have had enough depth to where we are only playing upperclassmen and the rare underclassmen who is just too good to keep off the field.

Because we are Iowa State and we have always had to rebuild. Same reason Mac had a 2-10 and 4-8 season mixed in with his bowl years. Is it fun? No. But let's not pretend this hasn't happened before.

 

[Rather]

That's the business. If Iowa State didn't offer their coaches contracts, we wouldn't ever get any coaches to come here.

I'm as irritated about Saturday as anyone, but some of you seriously need to take a Xanax and calm the hell down.

Or could it be this is his daughter's first year of soccer.

This whole soccer discussion pretty we'll illustrates the real driver of coaching changes in college football. When teams aren't winning as much, fans don't typically get fed up in droves and start throwing away their season ticket renewals out of spite. Instead, fans start finding that other things should be a higher priority for their time and money, especially fans that travel further. These fans tend to be the less enthusiastic ones. JP understands this and IF he decides to move on from CPR, it will be more to combat apathy than to combat the pissiness of the more rabid fans. Different story if you are a very big booster perhaps, but JP is not getting on CF as some sort of gage by which to make a coaching decision.

 

[RubyClone]

Man I love coming into work the next morning and try to catch up in a thread 50+ posts later...

Soccer? What turn did I miss? :wink:

 

[dmclone]

In 2001 the Cyclones also had to play #8 Nebraska,#9 Colorado, and #24 T A&M. They also beat teams like UNI 45-0. The truth is that no Cyclone teams have beat good teams on a regular basis. The key at ISU, which is sad, is to be able to beat the average and below average teams every time.

If things we're running right I would expect ISU to beat NDSU, KSU, Iowa, Kansas, Toledo, TT, WV, and TCU. That gets you 8 wins. Besides OU, who in this conference is a top 10 team???

 

[cycloneworld]

If things we're running right I would expect ISU to beat NDSU, KSU, Iowa, Kansas, Toledo, TT, WV, and TCU. That gets you 8 wins. Besides OU, who in this conference is a top 10 team???

Even if things were going well, I wouldn't expect to win at Iowa this year. Nor at home against K-State. Baylor and OU are the top 10 teams. But I also wouldn't expect to win at OSU or Texas either. If things were "running right" I'd expect us to beat NDSU, Toledo, WV, Kansas, and either TT or TCU. That's 5 wins.

 

[RubyClone]

In 2001 the Cyclones also had to play #8 Nebraska,#9 Colorado, and #24 T A&M. They also beat teams like UNI 45-0. The truth is that no Cyclone teams have beat good teams on a regular basis. The key at ISU, which is sad, is to be able to beat the average and below average teams every time.

If things we're running right I would expect ISU to beat NDSU, KSU, Iowa, Kansas, Toledo, TT, WV, and TCU. That gets you 8 wins. Besides OU, who in this conference is a top 10 team???

I think "expecting" to beat the likes of KSU, perhaps even Tech and (God help me) even iowa - is a tall order. I think we should "expect" to have a chance at that game pretty much every year. But it's a bit much to just put it in the W column year in and year out.

But otherwise I think you're spot on. As fans - we should have an expectation of .500 ball at a minimum and have yearly expectations that we beat KU, and more often than not TCU, WVU and our other non-cons. Win our home slate and go around .500 with the teams we like to compare ourselves to - ala iowa, KSU, Tech, OSU, even Baylor (I'm not convinced they can sustain this level and think they will move into this model as well). And I'd say a "hope" that perhaps once a class we see something somewhat special - that perhaps we really give the OU's and UT's of the conference a serious run.

That IS a lot for ISU - given our history. But in the grand scheme - it's really not. We're asking to win 2 to 3 non-cons, and 4 or 3 conference games (not even half) yearly. Even Rhoads said two years ago that 3 wins in the Big XII is (in effect) minimum.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Are you sure you just don't find me attractive? I mean, you've been following my posts, you know my stats...maybe you're simply a stalker?

Stormin...I know your type. You feel that by posting 27k times, you have clout and privilege and like to flex on occasion because somehow you know more than everyone. So maybe, if you pick on the new guy, he'll go away.

I'm sorry I don't meet your criteria for having a voice, which seems to be based on a number of odd parameters.

Why don't you quit dry humping my leg and say something that people might be interested in. I'm not hijacking this thread any longer to debate with a dolt.

I for one think you are cute as the dickens....

 

[InAWord]

I just want to be as good as whatever Rhoads sold the players on when he recruited them. I highly doubt he set the bar at 3 wins...

 

[CoKane]

Are you sure you just don't find me attractive? I mean, you've been following my posts, you know my stats...maybe you're simply a stalker?

Stormin...I know your type. You feel that by posting 27k times, you have clout and privilege and like to flex on occasion because somehow you know more than everyone. So maybe, if you pick on the new guy, he'll go away.

I'm sorry I don't meet your criteria for having a voice, which seems to be based on a number of odd parameters.

Why don't you quit dry humping my leg and say something that people might be interested in. I'm not hijacking this thread any longer to debate with a dolt.

Or he looked at the bars under your name that says when you joined, your post count, and your activity.

 

[FanatiClone]

Even if things were going well, I wouldn't expect to win at Iowa this year. Nor at home against K-State. Baylor and OU are the top 10 teams. But I also wouldn't expect to win at OSU or Texas either. If things were "running right" I'd expect us to beat NDSU, Toledo, WV, Kansas, and either TT or TCU. That's 5 wins.

WV is a far different team this year than the previous couple. Winnable game? Perhaps. But expecting to beat them, even if things are "running right", is quite possibly the fuel that will ignite another major meltdown on this forum.

 

[FanatiClone]

I just want to be as good as whatever Rhoads sold the players on when he recruited them. I highly doubt he set the bar at 3 wins...

That sounds reasonable.

 

[cycloneworld]

WV is a far different team this year than the previous couple. Winnable game? Perhaps. But expecting to beat them, even if things are "running right", is quite possibly the fuel that will ignite another major meltdown on this forum.

Who knows how the season will progress but their O/U win total in Vegas was 4 this year. It's one of the few games we'd likely currently be favored in.

And after the NDSU loss, I don't think anyone would be surprised or melt down with any single game loss this year. If we can get beat by 20 at home to them, we could lose to any other team on our schedule.

 

[Wesley]

Do you think it was a coincidence we were only good when the Big 12 North was down and we had an extremely soft schedule? In McCarney's awful years (2003, 2006) we played both Texas and Oklahoma. In 2003, we played 5 ranked teams and finished 2-10 (0-8). In 2006, we played 4 ranked teams and finished 4-8 (1-7). In 2004, we played 2 ranked teams (one was Iowa, no OU/Texas) and finished 7-5 (4-4). And in 2005, we played 2 ranked teams (one was Iowa, no OU/Texas) and finished 7-5 (4-4).

Sure, I'd love to go back to winning 7 games each year but I highly doubt McCarney would have ever done so with OU and Texas and a 9th conference game on the schedule each year. We need to compare apples to apples here.

So the fantasy question of the day may be do we want to win three games now and be irrelevant or win six games and go to Shreveport like bowls? Where is that hot tub time machine?

 

[Wesley]

Who knows how the season will progress but their O/U win total in Vegas was 4 this year. It's one of the few games we'd likely currently be favored in.

And after the NDSU loss, I don't think anyone would be surprised or melt down with any single game loss this year. If we can get beat by 20 at home to them, we could lose to any other team on our schedule.

Perhaps the fan base would be happy to win four now. NDSU had to be one of the easiest games on our schedule.

 

[FanatiClone]

Who knows how the season will progress but their O/U win total in Vegas was 4 this year. It's one of the few games we'd likely currently be favored in.

And after the NDSU loss, I don't think anyone would be surprised or melt down with any single game loss this year. If we can get beat by 20 at home to them, we could lose to any other team on our schedule.

I understand the reasoning. Just saying, much different team this year, regardless of what the oddsmakers said preseason. Did you watch any of their game against Alabama? We won't be favored against them.