RIP, Veishea
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I agree. IMO, the university was way too timid with rioters back when they first started, and they still are. Hold the morons accountable, instead of taking the coward's way out and cancelling the whole thing.
What kind of "liability" would ISU assume? I can think of none. Uri Sellers' parents tried to sue Adelante and another fraternity as a result of their son's death, and it was thrown out.
He watched Leath and Hill talk about it. But didn't participate in the conversation.
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I really doubt that. This story on Leath's decision is barely making news at a local level, and almost not at all on any national level. This is pretty much a non-issue, and the majority of those who do care, will lose interest as soon as football season kicks off. Even here, where everyone is passionate, VEISHEA talk will die down in a couple weeks, maybe cropping up every once in a while over the next 6 months. When spring rolls around, there will be a resurgence, but that will die out quickly too. It will eventually just fade away.
what will happen.
*Unofficial VEISHEA occurs the same week as next years VEISHEA will.
*Students will try to get drunk and have a good time.
* Said students realize how lame it is with few people getting truly in to it.
* Unofficial VEISHEA continues in later years but it's too lame and only a handful of people will get into it.
*Unofficial VEISHEA occurs the same week as next years VEISHEA will.
*Students will try to get drunk and have a good time.
* Said students realize how lame it is with few people getting truly in to it.
* Unofficial VEISHEA continues in later years but it's too lame and only a handful of people will get into it.
I was on Welch in 2004. And you could sense the crowd turning, so we left. I had zero desire to be tazered or anything, so I calmly left. You don't need to "rapidly escape," you are acting like these were pushing soccer hooligans in a tiny, confined space. Welch has four intersections in the most populated area, alleys, businesses, etc. It is an open space. Nobody was pushing or carrying the crowd, this was just a bunch of sheep willingly following the drama.
I feel bad for the rest of the community, students, and participants who have been affected by this decision. It sucks that it was necessary. But maybe rather than threatening to withhold funds from the university who had absolutely zero culpability in these actions, the blame would be better directed at the idiots responsible, and those who latently supported them. Don't punish the people who are blameless in this, but use that peer pressure to show the perpetrators how they have affected everyone.
So he's still to blame there, as well? I mean, he didn't try and stop them, and he stayed and watched.
*edit: wait, maybe he was blocked in or something and couldn't get away.
VEISHEA during Uri Sellers' time doesn't come even close to having the same reputation as it does now. Back then only people associated with Iowa State really knew what VEISHEA even was. Nowadays CNN practically has a camera crew on campus during VEISHEA just waiting for something to happen. Considering how many riots have happened during VEISHEA the last two decades, you can damn well bet ISU is at risk of being held liable. A university-sanctioned event with a track record of violence is not a good thing for the university, especially when that university has tried everything it can think of to eliminate the violence.
Yeah, I can see it impacting donations in that certain alumni will not be on campus every spring. Maybe there's some loss of connection to ISU in that regard. But as far as most alumni stopping donations because of this decision? I'd guess that many alumni (obviously older ones have the money) have been embarrassed by the riot news that comes out of VEISHEA for years now. Think about it...pretty much the only national news ISU gets during a year on CNN is a riot during VEISHEA. Think some donor living in NYC is going to be proud of that? I'm guessing that they are happy it's gone so that their alma mater doesn't get drug through the mud every five years.
Now, I will say that my first thought at seeing that video from last spring was that that looked like fun. Looked like a lot of people celebrating and having fun at VEISHEA. I probably would have been right there with them...until they started vandalizing. Just no need for that, especially when everyone knew that VEISHEA was basically on probation. And that is from someone who threw a beer can at the cops on Franklin in 1994 and smelled the tear gas. Didn't really worry about it because they had riot gear on. I just don't see the reason for participating or rooting on breaking other peoples' stuff.
I'll also say that I don't have any problem with people standing there watching a riot. It's kind of like a trainwreck, you can't look away. No reason to promote it though. If I was a 21 year old student last spring, I probably would have walked away at that point because you knew the cops were coming. I do think that getting in the middle of it and telling people to stop is a good way to get punched.
I just don't get why you can't just cancel all the late night student events that get people to invite their friends up and get t drunk and keep the cheesy stuff that alumni love. Like the awful terrible parade, and the crappy fair food. Think of the pie people, of all those delicious cheap Lil pies that will never be eaten again.
The weiners aren't nearly as popular in VEISHEA history.... I wish they were. I would love to have thousands of tiny homemade delicious wieners being carried around campus in big boxes, and small boxes, and even normal sized boxes.
Maybe from the ashes of veishea a new Weiner phoenix can arise.
Illinois does an Unofficial every year and it is a big event. It is just a day where the bars open at 8 am and everyone just gets drunk. So a small chance exists that Unofficial VEISHEA could take off.
