Royce at game tonight?

[Yellow Snow]

Legal disability is different than some BS excuse for not doing something. Like I said CBA was agreed to before he was in the league. Yes he didn't have to join the union but he also has a semi reasonable case to go against it. I understand there are all sorts of legal issues, but that is something for somewhere else as I think it is a much bigger issue then just here. I don't see anyway you can defend what the Rockets did. I understand the 76ers though. I think that cutting someone for a disability is wrong but cutting him because of talent or him not fitting in with their vision is.

It may be difficult to do but it is the right thing to do.

I'm not trying to sound like I'm taking a side on this. If it came across that way i apologize.

I'm just trying to say that it becomes a very slippery slope when trying to establish "Legal Disability" relative to the CBA. It sounded to me like Royce was trying to establish a "protocol" to deal with these situations relative to the NBA as a whole, not just the Rockets. That is pretty much an impossible task, as every NBA owner has had to deal with egotistically disabled players for ever.

Basically, Royce was arguing to allow private doctors (not NBA paid doctors or team physicians) to determine the course of treatment for players like him. The NBA didn't want to put the actual "availability" of such highly paid assets into the hands of people that might not toe the line.

 

[jkclone]

I'm not trying to sound like I'm taking a side on this. If it came across that way i apologize.

I'm just trying to say that it becomes a very slippery slope when trying to establish "Legal Disability" relative to the CBA. It sounded to me like Royce was trying to establish a "protocol" to deal with these situations relative to the NBA as a whole, not just the Rockets. That is pretty much an impossible task, as every NBA owner has had to deal with egotistically disabled players for ever.

Basically, Royce was arguing to allow private doctors (not NBA paid doctors or team physicians) to determine the course of treatment for players like him. The NBA didn't want to put the actual "availability" of such highly paid assets into the hands of people that might not toe the line.

I agree completely with you. I honestly get somewhat confused with who says what on here.

I think that what he was doing was a good thing however. Protecting people with real disabilities is important. I don't think that private doctors are a bad thing for exactly the reason that you said. They won't toe the line. I think that is important. The only reason I think toeing the line is good is if both the team and the player are agreeing. Otherwise it should be a completely unbiased doctor.

 

[Yellow Snow]

I agree completely with you. I honestly get somewhat confused with who says what on here.

I think that what he was doing was a good thing however. Protecting people with real disabilities is important. I don't think that private doctors are a bad thing for exactly the reason that you said. They won't toe the line. I think that is important. The only reason I think toeing the line is good is if both the team and the player are agreeing. Otherwise it should be a completely unbiased doctor.

Yep. Didn't the NFL just do this with all of the concussion talk going on recently? I believe that there is a non-affiliated MD on the sidelines at each game that give the concussion test, and has final say in the diagnosis.

The problem with the NBA is that the injuries aren't nearly as traumatic, so there is no real motivation from 3rd parties to worry about it. Royce was trying to bring that into the conversation.

His biggest problem (other than the NBA establishment has ZERO reason to implement his suggested changes) was his Twitter ranting. In my opinion anyway.

 

[SyracuseCyclone]

This seems to be the case. Heck, he "retired" from basketball before playing for Minnesota. He just isn't that passionate about it. Most people try to avoid things in life they don't enjoy if they have the means to. Why should Royce be any different if he thinks he has other things going for him?

I doubt he hates the game itself.


What he probably hates is the lifestyle and every day having somewhere to be at varying times along with the travel which we know he hates. During the season there is hardly a day where they players don't practice, a game, or a flight and usually there is 2 of the 3.

Monday: Bus-Airport-Flight-Bus-Gym-bus-hotel-bus-arena-bus-hotel-bus
Tues-Bus-Airport-bus-hotel-bus-arena-bus-hotel
Weds Bus-airport-drive home
Thurs-morning shoot around-few hours at home-arena to play-home at mightnight
Fri- Practice-bus-airport-bus-hotel


ETC ETC. This is the way guys think about these things. I didnt realize how an NBA player could actually not enjoy the lifestye at all until Derrick Coleman talked to me about it last year and basically talked about being a pro basketball player along those lines. Add in dealing with injuries and feeling like you can't walk most of the time.

 

[cloneswereall]

I honestly wonder how any of you have any idea on how he has or has not been seeking help? From twitter? Because he doesn't take psych meds? How many of you have taken those meds before and actually felt normal?

I'll say one thing, and it's that meds that mess with how your brain works can make you feel like a zombie and numb to everything to the point where you don't feel like yourself anymore. And refrain from claiming it's because dosages or specific drugs or any of that crap.

 

[Wesley]

I think that they were unwilling to take the risk that comes with someone like Royce. I think that putting some money into him at first would help to mold him into something that would help them win. I mean if the Rockets didn't think he could help them then why did they draft him. It's simple they were unwilling to put a down payment on a player that within a couple years wouldn't need much if any special assistance that could be a matchup nightmare. When it comes to the 76ers like Royce said he probably deserved a spot but didn't fit in their plan. That is understandable. I don't fault them for that, but I hope he finds somewhere to fit in.

Another thing to consider why other than money and ticket sales would the Rockets now take Howard. Howard has been more demanding than Royce. He has shown he isn't a team player and really not super spectacular himself. Royce has done both of those in the college game but hasn't gotten an opportunity in the NBA. It's all about money.

Rockets had a lot of draft choices and were picking people who they might trade to get Dwight Howard. Royce looked like a pawn.

 

[Rabbuk]

I honestly wonder how any of you have any idea on how he has or has not been seeking help? From twitter? Because he doesn't take psych meds? How many of you have taken those meds before and actually felt normal?

I'll say one thing, and it's that meds that mess with how your brain works can make you feel like a zombie and numb to everything to the point where you don't feel like yourself anymore. And refrain from claiming it's because dosages or specific drugs or any of that crap.

My thought process is that any professional would have told him to stop tweeting right away.

 

[Ficklone02]

To the people that are criticizing him.....how many of you have lived through an anxiety disorder? For someone with deep anxiety, which he clearly has, to be in a position of being in the spotlight is like the worst thing imaginable. People with anxiety don't like attention on themselves. Sometimes you do weird stuff when you are uncomfortable in your own skin. That was really courageous of him to talk about his struggles publicly, I think that deserves more attention than anything.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

To the people that are criticizing him.....how many of you have lived through an anxiety disorder? For someone with deep anxiety, which he clearly has, to be in a position of being in the spotlight is like the worst thing imaginable. People with anxiety don't like attention on themselves. Sometimes you do weird stuff when you are uncomfortable in your own skin. That was really courageous of him to talk about his struggles publicly, I think that deserves more attention than anything.

I agree, most of us have no idea the struggles he's been through. I wish him nothing but the best and hope he is successful no matter what he chooses to do.

 

[cloneswereall]

My thought process is that any professional would have told him to stop tweeting right away.

So in other words, you have no personal experience with these conditions effect people. Got it.

 

[Rabbuk]

So in other words, you have no personal experience with these conditions effect people. Got it.

IT's not really hard to identify a person who's off their rocker.

 

[cloneswereall]

IT's not really hard to identify a person who's off their rocker.

And it's extremely difficult to identify someone who has been through unsuccessful treatment (drugs or otherwise) for a mental disorder. So I would stop acting like you know something about it.

 

[Rabbuk]

And it's extremely difficult to identify someone who has been through unsuccessful treatment (drugs or otherwise) for a mental disorder. So I would stop acting like you know something about it.

I know that most therapists/friends/rational people wouldn't recommend airing your business on a social platform incoherently.

 

[jkclone]

I know that most therapists/friends/rational people wouldn't recommend airing your business on a social platform incoherently.

I don't think anyone's saying the twitter stuff was ok. That being said it wouldn't have been an issue if the Rockets worked a reasonable deal with him.

 

[Rabbuk]

I don't think anyone's saying the twitter stuff was ok. That being said it wouldn't have been an issue if the Rockets worked a reasonable deal with him.

I get the feeling there is no reasoning with RW. Just from all the **** I've read that he's said.

 

[jkclone]

I get the feeling there is no reasoning with RW. Just from all the **** I've read that he's said.

I don't think he is as concerned about his own basketball career as he is about getting the NBA to do what is right.

 

[CyJack13]

I don't think he is as concerned about his own basketball career as he is about getting the NBA to do what is right.

Well he failed pretty spectacularly there