My god, can you go five minutes without being an a$$hole?
We get it; you hate Campbell. Now just STFU about it.
Run up the Middle
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My god, can you go five minutes without being an a$$hole?
We get it; you hate Campbell. Now just STFU about it.
The run didn’t work. And we should’ve run it less times than we did. The majority of the upset fans are objectively wrong about the ratio of first down runs.
I get it. We want to sit or stand with our alcoholic buzz and watch successful plays! Not unsuccessful plays! How hard is it for this coaching staff to realize! Call plays that move the chains! First downs, touchdowns! Cmon! I know this and coach youth flag football!
Let me say, we had a great crowd last night, overall just a great day for tailgating and watching the game.
I have thought all season, ISU would be better off passing to run the ball, instead of what we are doing. There we times in the 3rd quarter we counted 10 UT guys within five yards of the LOS and a safety 10 yards behind them, and we still tried to run into the teeth of their defense. We saw no screen passes, not enough throwing deep to back up the defense. Just run it up the middle and hope our guy could break one and he never could. It's hard to keep trying the same thing over and over and seeing it not work, but keep trying to do it.
When you are playing a team like UT that can out athlete you all over the field you have to do things that they are not expecting, like the jump pass to Dean, wide open for a TD, why, because everyone was crowding up to stop the run, Rocco catches it, takes a step forward, and then jumps and flips it over the lane. Hell KSU used to kill us on the exact same play over and over.
I have thought all season, ISU would be better off passing to run the ball, instead of what we are doing. There we times in the 3rd quarter we counted 10 UT guys within five yards of the LOS and a safety 10 yards behind them, and we still tried to run into the teeth of their defense. We saw no screen passes, not enough throwing deep to back up the defense. Just run it up the middle and hope our guy could break one and he never could. It's hard to keep trying the same thing over and over and seeing it not work, but keep trying to do it.
When you are playing a team like UT that can out athlete you all over the field you have to do things that they are not expecting, like the jump pass to Dean, wide open for a TD, why, because everyone was crowding up to stop the run, Rocco catches it, takes a step forward, and then jumps and flips it over the lane. Hell KSU used to kill us on the exact same play over and over.
Respectfully, I would reply the same thing to you.
No, we should not abandon the run game. Fans who want to do that are indeed missing the bigger picture and are not really thinking about the scheme or the play calling/strategy at a macro level.
And personally, I really do not care about the percentage of "run plays to pass plays". Every game has its own flow, its own nuances, its own adjustments. So there is never a perfect ratio, and any ratio must always be understand in context of that specific game only.
So the whole "get it over it - this is what CMC does" - is kind of silly - because its actually not true. This specific roster this year has shown to be its most effective when it uses the pass to setup the run. This staff has done this at times this year! And it has worked really well! That does not have to mean "passing more". It might actually end up being more running plays. It is about where and when to attack the defense, whether that is through the zone read running scheme, creatively getting the ball to playmakers in space, and/or attacking the seams/verticals. This specific roster has shown that it does not have the depth or experience to overcome predictability - and this is why drives tall out often in these games (like Kansas, like Iowa, like Ohio, like Texas, etc). And yes - we get it - some of those teams have good defenses with good defensive schemes to counter us or adjust to us. No one expects perfection here. But it is perfectly OK to wonder if there's some things conceptually and schematically that, at times, is the reason for what is holding the offense back from moving the ball a little bit more consistently and getting points.
The throwback touchdown to Sanders was not successful because we had a thousand 1 yard gains up the gut. Neither was the 4th down TD to Dean. The ineffective run game design did not "set those plays up". Those calls were both circumstantial calls and both were incredible.
No one should care about the ratio of pass to run.
But yeah, it is nice to see successful plays vs. plays that are not successful - I will give you that!
I know this is a message board. I know what message boards are for. What I don't understand is how many fans missed their true calling. As unhappy as some are about the OCs (past or present) there sure seems to be a few on here that are well qualified--especially after the game is played. One problem though is that their playbooks seem to be designed for top notch players at several if not all positions with very little room for error. We don't have that.
Listen, if I were to easily bank 900k-a few million dollars being a premiere offensive coordinator, where would the challenge be in that?
I like to compete. I like to really know I went to to toe with the most difficult opportunities before me. Being an accountant, an agriculture sales rep, and/or middle manager is precisely that!
A pressure packed industry where each and every move I make is scrutinized and picked apart every week by millions. That’s why I do what I do instead of playing patty cake on easy street being a college offensive coordinator.
Lots of potential Nick Saban’s on this board. Where are all these coaching know it all’s at now? What schools are they coaching so we can see their results?
We are in disagreement over the two touchdown plays. If we were a pass first offense, they would have never worked, especially the 4th and 1 play.
I don't agree that a pass first strategy last night would have worked against UT. Against an Ohio, yes, do something to spark the game. Ohio did not have the athletes to keep up. Texas does.
The answer is not play calling. Texas's front seven is outstanding. You get the best minds in Football, whoever they are, and they may call the same mix of plays. If we call the same plays and win the coach is a genius, if we lose, he is an idiot. With respect, most fans saw a great football game between two good teams. Texas is a very good team. Was it the knowledge of the coaches that led to your post, or your knowledge of football that led to this post? I would say that you have missed the mark with your post.
Not so sure.
Everybody defends the run against every team on 4th and 1.
The point is adapting, not just passing vs running. I’m not outraged over last night…I do 10000000% believe that playcalling stubbornness against Kansas in the first half who does not have superior talent cost ISU that game. When we got over the macho “establish the run” stubbornness in second half it was clear KU’s defense wasn’t as good as our first half stubbornness made it look. It’s why that was a loss.
Don’t have to go all the way back to Ohio.
1st half vs KU…losing football running the ball ineffectively out of some weird mental stubbornness.
2nd half opening it up playing winning offense…oh it’s easy to score on KU, other than one corner they don’t have elite superior talent like Texas nfl bound d line. Too late though, it’s a loss now.
Fair statements.
How can u absolutely say that the first half of the Kansas game didn't set up the second half? Nothing can ever be proven because it is always a good game of chess. How many conference champions and national champions have gone passes first from the start of a game?
How can u absolutely say that the first half of the Kansas game didn't set up the second half? Nothing can ever be proven because it is always a good game of chess. How many conference champions and national champions have gone passes first from the start of a game?
Running the ball when it’s clearly not working just seems like wasting down after down. If it’s getting us 5 yards a carry that’s a good thing. When it gets us zero yards a carry I just have to wonder why we are running it so much
