Saw Dune

[CycloneErik]

Honestly it just changed. Some people loved it, some people didn't, and that's okay. It really changed to Herbert's political and philosophical treatises and that's not what I'm into Dune for.

I read something about Paul's role changing as things went on. I imagine that's pretty polarizing.

I'm really curious about that combination of different Germanic government ideas mixed with Islam mixed with technology and trying to figure all that out, but it's more work than I'm really looking for in fun reading.

 

[BryceC]

I read something about Paul's role changing as things went on. I imagine that's pretty polarizing.

I'm really curious about that combination of different Germanic government ideas mixed with Islam mixed with technology and trying to figure all that out, but it's more work than I'm really looking for in fun reading.

I mean, by the time you reach Children that's an understatement. By the time you reach God-Emperor... I mean I can't even describe it to you.

 

[Bipolarcy]

I think some people will think it’s boring and nothing happens but I went in thinking it would be good not great. We both loved it.

My condolences. I had a coworker who was a Dune fanatic. Every conversation, he seemed to be able to turn it into a Dune reference. Dune was perhaps the worst movie ever made and Kyle MacLachlan has the most punchable face. One of my least favorite actors, right up there with the older version of James Spader. Smarmy much?

 

[CycloneErik]

I mean, by the time you reach Children that's an understatement. By the time you reach God-Emperor... I mean I can't even describe it to you.

I Googled a bit just now. Um, yeah.

 

[cycloneworld]

Better to rewatch the old version before the new version? Or just watch the new one? It's been 20+ years since I've seen the old one.

 

[Triggermv]

Director Denis Villeneuve and Warner Bros. Want to Make ‘Dune: Part II.’ So Why Hasn’t the Sequel Been Announced Yet?

Director Denis Villeneuve and Warner Bros. want to make "Dune: Part II." So why hasn't the sequel been announced yet?

variety.com

 

[Triggermv]

‘Dune 2’ a Go From Legendary, Warner Bros.

Denis Villeneuve and Timothée Chalamet are reteaming for the sequel, which will hit theaters in fall of 2023.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Dune 2 is officially greenlit!!!! Beings how I'm not a reader of the Dune novels and going tonight, this amps up my excitement now knowing that I'm not going to be left on a cliff-hanger which never gets answered.

 

[SCNCY]

For those of you heavy Dune fans, would you be able to answer a question. While the Atreides were being attacked on Arrakis, what was happening on their home world of Caladan? Did the citizens just accept the downfall of their former leader, who they appeared to be very loyal to? Or did they want to fight but couldn't? Did they even know what had happened?

 

[CycloneErik]

For those of you heavy Dune fans, would you be able to answer a question. While the Atreides were being attacked on Arrakis, what was happening on their home world of Caladan? Did the citizens just accept the downfall of their former leader, who they appeared to be very loyal to? Or did they want to fight but couldn't? Did they even know what had happened?

That's a fantastic question. I don't think that ever comes up in the first book.

 

[BryceC]

For those of you heavy Dune fans, would you be able to answer a question. While the Atreides were being attacked on Arrakis, what was happening on their home world of Caladan? Did the citizens just accept the downfall of their former leader, who they appeared to be very loyal to? Or did they want to fight but couldn't? Did they even know what had happened?

Well this is kind of hard to answer, but essentially they didn't retain control of Caladan. They basically brought their troops with them.

Also, space travel is extremely expensive and needs a bunch of approvals and stuff. So it's not like the serfs from Caladan are going to mount up and get spacing guild approval to go attack the Beast on Arrakis.

That's a fantastic question. I don't think that ever comes up in the first book.

It's not directly answered but after the Baron retakes Arrakis, there is what seems to be a throwaway conversation with I think the Baron and Petyr where they are discussing how the Baron got approval from the Emperor, how he did so without enraging the other houses, got ships from the spacing guild, etc. I think the whole point of that is to say that doing what he did was extremely difficult and probably only he could have done it. I would guess it's impossible for the people of Caladan no matter what they would want if they didn't have the backing of a great house, which I'm assuming the Baron took care of.

 

[VeloClone]

I’m always trying to get my wife to watch sci fi and fantasy and Harry Potter, LotR and the Matrix are they only three she has ever really embraced (didn’t even like GoT).

I grew up reading LotR and Dune. When we watch Harry Potter she will sometimes laugh at how obvious some of it is stolen from LotR and I’ll just tell her that nearly all fantasy borrows from LotR.

‘84 Dune and the book don’t use the phrase “the one” as much as this new film, but the new film really makes it obvious how the Matrix paralleled Dune. I think Dune is an original sci fi masterpiece but I think in a lot of ways stuff like Asimov, Heinlein, pulp/comic, Bradbury, Arthur C clark and even classic Star Trek is more influential to the entire genre. The Matrix pretty obviously is in the sphere of dune and I somehow didn’t connect it so directly before.

To be fair, they both borrow from the King Arthur legend in that regard.

 

[SCNCY]

Well this is kind of hard to answer, but essentially they didn't retain control of Caladan. They basically brought their troops with them.

Also, space travel is extremely expensive and needs a bunch of approvals and stuff. So it's not like the serfs from Caladan are going to mount up and get spacing guild approval to go attack the Beast on Arrakis.

I guess that makes sense. I remember the scene in the movie where Leto asks how much the trip costs just to announce the fiefdom of Arrakis, so I can see that.

But part of my curiosity comes from other fantasy series like Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings where the people under their ruler are furiously loyal and will fight for their lord.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Really glad they are making a second movie. I really liked it when I watched it last night but it definitely felt unfinished.

 

[BryceC]

I guess that makes sense. I remember the scene in the movie where Leto asks how much the trip costs just to announce the fiefdom of Arrakis, so I can see that.

But part of my curiosity comes from other fantasy series like Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings where the people under their ruler are furiously loyal and will fight for their lord.

That's what makes the trip to Arrakis so perilous - they are away from their power base. The Atreides have fiercely loyal and good troops, but they don't have a lot of cash or a lot of people, that's why they are so desperate to befriend and enlist the Fremen. The Harkonnen's have a lot of cash and kind of rule through more fear and brutality, but that's effective for them.

 

[brianhos]

Watched it on HBO last night in 4K. Did not expect anything much after how bad the first one was, but this was really good.

 

[boone7247]

I guess that makes sense. I remember the scene in the movie where Leto asks how much the trip costs just to announce the fiefdom of Arrakis, so I can see that.

But part of my curiosity comes from other fantasy series like Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings where the people under their ruler are furiously loyal and will fight for their lord.

Not a direct answer, but in one of Paul's visions from the spice you see his home world, it appeared to me it was like a homecoming for him, either before or after liberating them from whatever befell them after the fall of his father. I would need to watch it again to fully understand what they were showing. But it seemed like he was coming home to something.

 

[Remo Gaggi]

Put your hand in the box ...

 

[dahliaclone]

Strange question that I am sure has a logical answer that I just overlooked. But why don't Jessica and Paul use that freakish voice ALL THE TIME? Seems like I would haha.

 

[HFCS]

To be fair, they both borrow from the King Arthur legend in that regard.

For the "chosen one" aspect yes, they're also both cautionary tales about AI but Herbert predicted a world that somehow banished AI...which actually seems more far fetched than The Matrix and Terminator futures.

"Zion" in the Matrix is quite a bit like the Fremen and their sietches.

Other even more obvious Matrix similarities to Dune would be spoilers for people who haven't seen the sequel to new Dune that was just confirmed.

 

[HFCS]

That's what makes the trip to Arrakis so perilous - they are away from their power base. The Atreides have fiercely loyal and good troops, but they don't have a lot of cash or a lot of people, that's why they are so desperate to befriend and enlist the Fremen. The Harkonnen's have a lot of cash and kind of rule through more fear and brutality, but that's effective for them.

There were some great real time strategy video games based on Dune in late 90s and early 00s. I'm pretty sure they were from same team that went on to do Command & Conquer games.

It's the perfect plot for that kind of game, you're trying to harvest something valuable while getting attacked by enemy forces and giant worms.