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Many are jaded because they were frustrated after last year and fed a lot of promises about what was going to change and they didn’t get any of it. Yes, execution sucked, but they knew they weren’t being put in a position to succeed, voiced those concerns, and were promised x and o changes that didn’t materialize. That’s what started to fracture the offensive room.
Man, I wonder who made the promises Campbell or Manning? Either way it’s bad. Frustrating to hear what some of the guys told you too- not a good sign of culture at all. We’ll see I guess. Thanks Jeremy.
 

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This is not making me feel any less underwhelmed. If the guys in the program aren't feeling it thats concerning.

Regardless who was chosen, if the 'mixed feelings based on experiences' imo points to players not knowing where they stand within the program on a macro level, which eludes to a bigger issue than how 'creative' play calling is.
 
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That's something I just said to my wife. Realistically, how many formations and plays does a team really use?

Why do the look to the sideline thing?

Why not simply trust your QB to call the play, or audible at the line into something they think would work better?

I would have to think it would really help the pace and rhythm of an offense. And be more fun for the players.

Just spitballing here but I feel like the guys in the booth can see things the guys on the field (both coaches and players) can’t see. Just a thought though. You can go back to your hovel until next season now troll.
 

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Many are jaded because they were frustrated after last year and fed a lot of promises about what was going to change and they didn’t get any of it. Yes, execution sucked, but they knew they weren’t being put in a position to succeed, voiced those concerns, and were promised x and o changes that didn’t materialize. That’s what started to fracture the offensive room.
Something fractured, that's for sure. I'm not sure I have ever seen two units in the same team compete so differently
 

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That's something I just said to my wife. Realistically, how many formations and plays does a team really use?

Why do the look to the sideline thing?

Why not simply trust your QB to call the play, or audible at the line into something they think would work better?

I would have to think it would really help the pace and rhythm of an offense. And be more fun for the players.

Yeah those NFL QBs that get feedback from the sideline through their helmets are just given the reigns.
 

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After that kind of year for the offense, I would think it would be fairly normal to be both skeptical of a change that may not be a huge one and also a bit insecure about how they might fit into that change.

An offense that grinds away time (while scoring somewhat consistently) isn't revolutionary at all, but has been proven an effective way to win games. I think it could provide significant change though, with just a touch more aggression and unpredictability. And of course, execution.

Like any situation, I think the players will have to see those changes in action to get totally on board with them. That's pretty normal.
Agree. I hope Campbell asks Heacock what the most difficult defense to defend is. I believe he would say a mobile qb creates the most issues- so it would make sense to let Dekkers be as mobile as possible and the S&C coach help prepare him for it.
 
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Manning's biggest failing here was his inability to clean up pre-snap issues that led to ISU being the third most penalized team in the Big 12, and critical breakdowns that made for the worst red zone offense in Big 12 play, and #121 overall in points per offensive play.

The offense needs a tactician at OC and I hope Scheelhasse is the guy.
 

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So nobody is allowed to have an opinion unless we know all the intricacies of being an OC?

Close the thread down then because nobody is qualified to be talking about this.

I'll give you my final opinion, hes too young and we needed some fresh eyes on the program.
No, but maybe, just maybe, we should form our opinions on what the man does, not what we think or are scared he might do. Let's see how things turn out this spring / summer.
 

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All of the things you mentioned (cover kicks, protect the punter, and setup returns) are all things we struggled with. I would think maybe a ST coordinator would have some sort of idea on how kicking/punting should work. I know a kicker needs to do his part, but there may be mechanics done wrong that will fix some issues.
And for those coverage and protection teams I would be happy for ISU to hire a ST coach.

But I find the idea that a ST coach is going to make a big difference in a kickers accuracy unlikely. These kickers getting P5 scholarships have mostly been going to camps and things with actual kicking coaches. It isn’t like they are taking some kid from Collins s Maxwell kicking with a square toed shoe. The kids that have gotten to this level are dialed in to kicking mechanics. Most ST coaches weren’t/aren’t kickers. They are coverage/return/protection guys. I’m sure they know plenty about kicking, but this day and age P5 kickers are pretty mechanically locked in.
 

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I’ll share some more thoughts from current players (not naming them of course) when I get a chance. But, there are mixed emotions though. All happy for him as a person and someone they respect, but a lot of concerns and reservations about how many changes will be seen day to day based on what they’ve seen and experienced.
Seems like a normal reaction to change. Player leadership will be key to getting the rest of the offensive unit unified on the changes. Campbell was fortunate Lanning and Lazard served that role during the last HC change.
 

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Man, I wonder who made the promises Campbell or Manning? Either way it’s bad. Frustrating to hear what some of the guys told you too- not a good sign of culture at all. We’ll see I guess. Thanks Jeremy.
Promises of what? In what situation? Promises that were for 24 hours or for 2 months?

I would always like to hear the two sides of the story before you draw conclusions.
 
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The fact that this staff doesn't trust or empower the QB to audible is astounding.

Remember Rus wide open at the goal line, out wide, against TTech I believe? You audible and do the quick throw there. Automatically.

Didn't Bruns say that Becht's big play to Hanika was an audible?
 

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if NS just learned 3 or 4 things of what Manning called that never worked, he will be an upgrade.
 
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Promises of what? In what situation? Promises that were for 24 hours or for 2 months?

I would always like to hear the two sides of the story before you draw conclusions.
I think Manning held a meeting with the offense before the Texas game, and said the offense is changing. It did, and looked better that game… then reverted back.
 

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No, but maybe, just maybe, we should form our opinions on what the man does, not what we think or are scared he might do. Let's see how things turn out this spring / summer.

Much more fun to blast hot takes and make bold uninformed predictions!

We are all joefrogs now!