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Don't disagree with all those points. And Coach Campbell really stressed consistency of results in his press conference.

But lacking last year was explosive plays. At the P5 level it is hard to be a solid offense or defense without momentum plays.

On offense that doesn't always mean 40 or 50 yard passes or runs. It's more plays of the 15-25 yard distance. Instead of relying on 12 play scoring drives, getting it done in 5-6 plays.

On defense it comes down to pressuring the QB to make bad decisions, getting sacks and creating turnovers.
Our receivers outside of Hutch last year were really bad. They need a big jump too. If Jaylin N doesn’t start producing more big plays we can’t justify getting him 6 touches a game at a certain point. I want to see what we have in Greg Gaines
 

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the thing that always bothers me is he had a great Oline coach. While Manning definitely wasn't a star at OC he was a Top 5 OL coach. I just don't know how the issues with this position group weren't seen by Manning. He sees those kids every day in some capacity.
That is a good point. It was quite strange.
 

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Our receivers outside of Hutch last year were really bad. They need a big jump too. If Jaylin N doesn’t start producing more big plays we can’t justify getting him 6 touches a game at a certain point. I want to see what we have in Greg Gaines
I know this has been said before, but please remember if we catch four more wide open passes then we have a winning record.
 

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Or the same delayed handoff on every first down, especially if they just had a chunk play. Monty and Hall made it work, but you're not always gonna have tackle-breaking savants that become NFL workhorses to rely on. Gotta be more creative in the running game, IMO.
I'd like to see some of those motion sets where there are multiple plays to run off the same motion
 
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I know this has been said before, but please remember if we catch four more wide open passes then we have a winning record.
THIS is exactly the point I was gonna make and you beat me to it!

Flipside is that if we make those catches, and have a winning record, we still have Manning.

Time will tell which scenario works out best for us.
 
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Or the same delayed handoff on every first down, especially if they just had a chunk play. Monty and Hall made it work, but you're not always gonna have tackle-breaking savants that become NFL workhorses to rely on. Gotta be more creative in the running game, IMO.
Case in point. We don’t run a “delayed handoff”. That’s an RPO. The QB is reading someone while he and the RB are in the mesh. Based on the actions of the read the QB will either give or keep. If he keeps he can can then run or pass based on a secondary read.
 

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I know this has been said before, but please remember if we catch four more wide open passes then we have a winning record.
Not completely true. Most games the opponent would have gotten a chance to respond as well.

CampbellBall's approach of intentionally keeping the game close means the other team gets a shot. Remember the Texas Tech walk-off record field goal?
 

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I know this has been said before, but please remember if we catch four more wide open passes then we have a winning record.

Which backs up that the receivers were bad.

And there were several times where just a 'catch, get down field' moves the chains but it was a side step or similar.
 

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Not completely true. Most games the opponent would have gotten a chance to respond as well.

CampbellBall's approach of intentionally keeping the game close means the other team gets a shot. Remember the Texas Tech walk-off record field goal?
Yes, I would almost always agree with you. However, these wide open passes were very late in the game. It is not 100%. However, these weren't something in the third quarter with a lot of time remaining.

Somebody with a better memory than me, can bring up the situations. If you knew me, I would say exactly what you're saying most of the time. These were very unique drops at very inopportune times.
 

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the thing that always bothers me is he had a great Oline coach. While Manning definitely wasn't a star at OC he was a Top 5 OL coach. I just don't know how the issues with this position group weren't seen by Manning. He sees those kids every day in some capacity.
He was only our OL coach for his first two seasons (OC/OL). After he returned from Indy, his position responsibilities were TE, then RB and then just OC his last two years.

There's only so much anyone can do to influence something they don't have control over.
 

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We motion more than most teams.
How is that motion used, though? I can count on my hand the number of times the guy in motion has done anything other than do some cardio out there. I understand that the purpose is more to gauge what the defense is in, but I'll still contend that ISU has been woefully lacking in creativity on offense, including actually getting the ball to the motion guy every now and then.

To your post about the RPO, I'll only believe it's an RPO if the QB doesn't hand it off 99% of the time. At that point, the RPO just isn't being taught correctly and that goes back to a coaching/scheme issue.
 
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How is that motion used, though? I can count on my hand the number of times the guy in motion has done anything other than do some cardio out there.

To your post about the RPO, I'll only believe it's an RPO if the QB doesn't hand it off 99% of the time. At that point, the RPO just isn't being taught correctly and that goes back to a coaching/scheme issue.

I think there's little things that we as generally casual observers don't see for what the defense is doing or not doing vs. ISU's alignment.

That said imo they motion too much at weird times and it takes away rhythm and that 'go get it'ness like on a 4th and 1/2 yard. Get up there and get the first down.

I'd also like to see a chart of how many times ISU has gone offsides on plays that had multiple motions.
 
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Our receivers outside of Hutch last year were really bad. They need a big jump too. If Jaylin N doesn’t start producing more big plays we can’t justify getting him 6 touches a game at a certain point. I want to see what we have in Greg Gaines
Noel is an enigma. He's one of the only big-play threats, but also has huge lapses in judgment and focus. He has the tools to be our best offensive player. Hopefully we can put him in better positions and get him locked in. Absolutely one of the keys to getting back on track.
 

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Which backs up that the receivers were bad.

And there were several times where just a 'catch, get down field' moves the chains but it was a side step or similar.
Sort of like that Texas Tech game where we came out of two drives deep in the red zone with zero points and only needed two points to win that game.
 

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Noel is an enigma. He's one of the only big-play threats, but also has huge lapses in judgment and focus. He has the tools to be our best offensive player. Hopefully we can put him in better positions and get him locked in. Absolutely one of the keys to getting back on track.
This. I’m not selling my stock in him yet.
 
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How is that motion used, though? I can count on my hand the number of times the guy in motion has done anything other than do some cardio out there. I understand that the purpose is more to gauge what the defense is in, but I'll still contend that ISU has been woefully lacking in creativity on offense, including actually getting the ball to the motion guy every now and then.

To your post about the RPO, I'll only believe it's an RPO if the QB doesn't hand it off 99% of the time. At that point, the RPO just isn't being taught correctly and that goes back to a coaching/scheme issue.
You are clueless. Really.
 

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