SEC/Big10 Pushing for 16 Team Playoff

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They should be pushing for objective strength of record ranking as my previous post just showed.

Big 12 would have no problem occasionally getting 2 or even 3 teams in if they could look at objective strength of record and schedule more like the basketball committee always has in various ways. It could also sometimes help the seeding of a Big 12 team that does make it. Some years they'd be on the wrong end of these metrics...SOME YEARS...they'll always be on the wrong end of the brand name boner rankings. TCU's screw job should have proved that to end all debate when they got bumped for Ohio State with an objectively worse resume.
I don't see that happening any time soon. 5+11 just opens the door for a committee (with ESPN as puppetmaster) to dish out more at-large bids to SEC/B1G that would've otherwise gone to other conferences if they'd had auto qualifiers. JMO. And IMO it's why Sankey is in favor.
 
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There werent opt outs until the BCS "title game" was invented. I mean BYU was able to win a national title by winnng the Holiday Bowl.
I think it’s too late to put that genie back in the bottle. The bowls could maybe pay NIL for every player to participate, but I don’t know how’d you’d keep players from quiet optouts
 

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I wish they’d just go back to the “plus 1” game. Find the best two bowl winners and let them play.
And in the rare instances when there are three teams with a legitimate claim to the title game … too bad, them‘s the breaks, somebody has to get the short end of the stick. It’s not like humanity will rise or fall based on who takes the crystal trophy, it’s a football championship we’re talking about here.
 
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I think it’s too late to put that genie back in the bottle. The bowls could maybe pay NIL for every player to participate, but I don’t know how’d you’d keep players from quiet optouts

I agree. The bowls are dumb now. They should just do a 16 team playoff, and if you're not in, you're season is done. Unless they do some sort of NIT or maybe a "Division 2" playoff with another 16 teams that didn't get in. Maybe have a Division 2 or NIT Champion. That's probably dumb too though.
 

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I agree. The bowls are dumb now. They should just do a 16 team playoff, and if you're not in, you're season is done. Unless they do some sort of NIT or maybe a "Division 2" playoff with another 16 teams that didn't get in. Maybe have a Division 2 or NIT Champion. That's probably dumb too though.
Another playoff wouldn’t be any better than the bowls. Players opt out for the draft still if they don’t have a shot at the real Championship.
 

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I guess I don't understand how they can think the 5+11 model is going to be more diplomatic or do the Big 12 any more favors than an AQ model that guarantees 2 spots every year. Do they really think a committee that'll inevitably be guided by ESPN is not going to load up on SEC and B1G teams for the 11 at large spots? Why do you think Sankey is so in favor of it?
The 5+ 11 keeps the B10 and SEC pitted against each other for now which is best for CFB and the B12. It also lets the Big12 play both sides until they get what they really want. Im guessing a 4-4-3-3-1-3.

B12 wants to be able to have the ability to sell play-in games as well and they can't do that unless they have 3 autos. 3 autos also doesn't put your reputation severely behind the SEC and B10 and a 18 team playoff gives you a chance at 4 with the B10/SEC theoretically accumulating more losses.

B10 wants the guaranteed autos so they can schedule SEC head to head in noncon to satisfy media partners + they want the SEC at 9 conf games.

SEC wants the most teams in as possible. Sankey and some ADs want 9 conf games for money reasons and some ADs and coaches only want 8. They can't get that if the playoff stays at 12 which is what the b10 will do if they don't get their autos

B12 behind closed doors secretly pushing for 3 autos and 18 team playoff satisfies everybody and doesn't take any money out of their pocket and likely adds more money.
 

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The 5+ 11 keeps the B10 and SEC pitted against each other for now which is best for CFB and the B12. It also lets the Big12 play both sides until they get what they really want. Im guessing a 4-4-3-3-1-3.

B12 behind closed doors secretly pushing for 3 autos and 18 team playoff satisfies everybody and doesn't take any money out of their pocket and likely adds more money.
The B12 already got bullied by the B10 and SEC into taking reduced CFP shares under the threat by Fox/B10 and ESPN/SEC to separate and have their own playoff. So no effin way the B12 would now push for less auto bids than both B10 & SEC.
 
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I don't see that happening any time soon. 5+11 just opens the door for a committee (with ESPN as puppetmaster) to dish out more at-large bids to SEC/B1G that would've otherwise gone to other conferences if they'd had auto qualifiers. JMO. And IMO it's why Sankey is in favor.
I'd agree. Plus they will create their own SOR (with blackjack! and hookers!) and manipulate it to get whatever result they want. Hell, that's what it is now just not called SOR.

You're gonna get jobbed one way or another. The difference is sort of an admission of 2nd class with the 4-4-2-2; you still get sodomized by the committee, just out of 4 spots instead of 11.
 

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Stew Mandel blasts Fox's puppet, Little Tony Pettiti, and rightly so in this column. Stew also confirms the Fox sublicensing arrangement with NBC and CBS:

"Meanwhile, it’s no secret what entity holds the most influence over Petitti’s conference: Fox. In an unusual arrangement, the Big Ten Network, not the conference itself, controls the media rights. Fox owns 61 percent of BTN, effectively giving it control over the Big Ten. And Fox badly wants a bigger piece of college football’s postseason than its lone current property, the Holiday Bowl.

ESPN has the CFP tied up for another seven years, so those proposed Big Ten play-in games would both provide Fox and/or its sublicensees, CBS and NBC, with more inventory while putting more cash in the coffers of Big Ten members."


 

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Stew Mandel blasts Fox's puppet, Little Tony Pettiti, and rightly so in this column. Stew also confirms the Fox sublicensing arrangement with NBC and CBS:

"Meanwhile, it’s no secret what entity holds the most influence over Petitti’s conference: Fox. In an unusual arrangement, the Big Ten Network, not the conference itself, controls the media rights. Fox owns 61 percent of BTN, effectively giving it control over the Big Ten. And Fox badly wants a bigger piece of college football’s postseason than its lone current property, the Holiday Bowl.

ESPN has the CFP tied up for another seven years, so those proposed Big Ten play-in games would both provide Fox and/or its sublicensees, CBS and NBC, with more inventory while putting more cash in the coffers of Big Ten members."



I agree with a good portion of his article but he is totally delusional about the SEC’s schedule and the “fixation” on this. He doesn’t point out anywhere that the SEC has a massive advantage playing 8 conference games and legit says “the SEC isn’t ducking anyone” yeah man they are with that conference schedule.

I legit don’t care about autobids or expanding the playoff but whatever move gets the SEC to play 9 conference games I’m on board with
 

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I agree with a good portion of his article but he is totally delusional about the SEC’s schedule and the “fixation” on this. He doesn’t point out anywhere that the SEC has a massive advantage playing 8 conference games and legit says “the SEC isn’t ducking anyone” yeah man they are with that conference schedule.

I legit don’t care about autobids or expanding the playoff but whatever move gets the SEC to play 9 conference games I’m on board with
I agree all conferences should play the same number of conference games. 8 or 9 or 10 I really don’t care but you do have to kind of roll your eyes and Cignetti when there are graphics like this IMG_7523.jpeg
 

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I agree all conferences should play the same number of conference games. 8 or 9 or 10 I really don’t care but you do have to kind of roll your eyes and Cignetti when there are graphics like this View attachment 153110
Yeah but it’s also Indiana. You’re comparing the top 3 SEC teams to Indiana. If you put OSU on that list instead you get games against Texas, Bama, and Georgia.

Florida playing 3 other Florida teams isn’t anything new either. It’s no different than you guys playing Iowa every year or SC playing Clemson. They are in state games with states that just happen to have more P4 teams.

But yeah Indianas coach shouldn’t the talking non con schedule
 

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I agree with a good portion of his article but he is totally delusional about the SEC’s schedule and the “fixation” on this. He doesn’t point out anywhere that the SEC has a massive advantage playing 8 conference games and legit says “the SEC isn’t ducking anyone” yeah man they are with that conference schedule.

I legit don’t care about autobids or expanding the playoff but whatever move gets the SEC to play 9 conference games I’m on board with
I agree.

That 9th conference game guarantees an additional loss for 8 SEC teams and when you factor in computer rankings using opponent's opponents W-L records as well, the negative impact on computer rankings is significant.

What is also significant is the overweighting of Margin of Victory factors used in those same computer rankings. Despite Indiana playing only two teams with winning records in 2024 and beating one of them, they still ranked high in composite computer rankings because Cignetti ran up the score whenever he could and IMO, that triggered his future non-con scheduling changes, not so much to copycat the SEC as he claimed earlier this week.
 

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Yeah, it’s possible without committing recruiting suicide by agreeing to Little Tony’s proposal.
I think you're kidding yourself if you really think a CFP committee that's essentially controlled by ESPN is going to vote in a third Big 12 team that would likely have at least 2 losses over an SEC or B1G team with 2 or even 3 losses, or a 2- or even 3-loss Notre Dame. I don't think the 5+11 is going to do the Big 12 or ACC any favors. I think it's just going to open the door for ESPN to stack even more SEC/B1G teams into those at-large spots. Which is why Sankey wants it IMO.
 
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I think you're kidding yourself if you really think a CFP committee that's essentially controlled by ESPN is going to vote in a third Big 12 team that would likely have at least 2 losses over an SEC or B1G team with 2 or even 3 losses, or a 2- or even 3-loss Notre Dame. I don't think the 5+11 is going to do the Big 12 or ACC any favors.
5+11 will enable a 9th SEC conference game and that will increase the odds of the B12 getting 3 teams in. Even better if the ACC somehow does likewise. BYU certainly gets in last season if both played a 9th conference game.

And it's always funny when a ESPN bias claim is made. The SEC thinks the existing CFP selection process screws them and then you have Pettiti claiming likewise with his push for the stupid multiple auto bids.

The fix? Cody Campbell's 7+9 model (with media rights aggregation) and a separate 4 or 8 team G5 playoff.
 

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