SEC/Big10 Pushing for 16 Team Playoff

[CascadeClone]

ESPN isn’t going to be shilling for 8-4 Iowa over 10-2 BYU.

But yeah, of course Sankey thinks he’ll get more. He’s probably right.

It’s not the SEC part of this that pisses everyone off. As annoying as their propaganda is, they’ve won a lot. The Big 10 gets put in that tier because large population/big brand schools, while the bulk of the league could be swapped out with ACC and Big 12 teams and see no change to the TV value or overall quality.

Part of why they have won a lot though is 8 conference games. You sub out an average conference game for a sure winner and it adds 0.5 wins to everyone on average. It's less of a deal to the Bama or Georgia types who would have won anyway. But it inflates the middling teams a lot, and they end up 9-3 instead of 8-4 and on the edge of CFP contention.

And so you get Mizzou at 9-3 last year, but whose best win was either:
a) Boston College by 6 (in Columbia)
b) Vandy by 3 in 2OT (in Columbia)
c) Arkansas by 7 (in Columbia)
(Mizzou they only won on the road twice, vs teams that both ended the season 2-10)

I will just hypothesize if Mizzou had played at say, Tennessee instead of at UMass, they probably end up 8-4...

WRT actual titles -
Yes, Saban & Kirby are all-time legend coaches, and they have won 7 titles in the past 15 years (of the 9 titles the SEC has). Two guys! I don't see SEC dominance wrt the title continuing like that.

 

[ClubCy]

Let me know what's stopping the Big 12 and Big 10 from going back to 8 games, which is entirely within the rules of the system we currently have

Maximizing revenue for one. Competitive balance. Ensuring conference opponents play each other more than once a decade now that leagues are larger than ever.

Did you know Georgia still has never played a game in College Station despite A&M being in the SEC for 13 years now?

It’s dumb and exactly the opposite of what competitive sports are meant to be. Sorry if you want to play 4 cupcakes and win by 60 for the first month of the season.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Let me know what's stopping the Big 12 and Big 10 from going back to 8 games, which is entirely within the rules of the system we currently have

You want big12 schools to look at cutting more sports? Because one less game means less money. Also if you want more big12 teams in the playoff then just the autobid you want the SEC to play a 9 conference game schedule.

I think people are just surprised you want ISU to make less money and have a harder path towards making a playoff

 

[Gonzo]

Maximizing revenue for one. Competitive balance. Ensuring conference opponents play each other more than once a decade now that leagues are larger than ever.

Did you know Georgia still has never played a game in College Station despite A&M being in the SEC for 13 years now?

It’s dumb and exactly the opposite of what competitive sports are meant to be. Sorry if you want to play 4 cupcakes and win by 60 for the first month of the season.

I think they usually reserve one week late in the season for OOC cupcakes. Which then pads their records. Which then helps position them for better bowl games. Which then makes them more $$$.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Puppets

 

[1SEIACLONE]

ESPN isn’t going to be shilling for 8-4 Iowa over 10-2 BYU.

But yeah, of course Sankey thinks he’ll get more. He’s probably right.

It’s not the SEC part of this that pisses everyone off. As annoying as their propaganda is, they’ve won a lot. The Big 10 gets put in that tier because large population/big brand schools, while the bulk of the league could be swapped out with ACC and Big 12 teams and see no change to the TV value or overall quality.

ESPN is not shilling for them, but their partner Fox sports will be doing it. Since Fox owns 61% if BTN they will want to see as many teams from the B10 as possible getting into the playoff. It that means an 8-4 EIU, they will have no problem with that.

 

[MartyFine]

 

[isucy86]

All of this. B1G has been better for going on 3 years now.

Just because the Hoosiers got in the CFP last season doesn't mean the Big10 is better.

If the Big10 wants to be considered on par with the SEC, the reality is the gap between Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon and the the rest of the Big10 needs narrow.

I'd put Michigan in the same group, but sans-Harbaugh they've been mediocre over the last 20 years. It would help if a couple among USC, UCLA and Washington become consistent CFP teams.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

EIU figured out scheduling under Fry, and Freerents has taken it too a new high. Play 2 cupcakes and ISU in the non conference, 6/7 out of 10 years you are going to start the season at 3-0. Throw in the former B10 least division and it's easy to win another 5 games, all the while missing Ohio State, the leagues best team 2 out of 3 seasons.
They schedule much like the SEC has been doing, and there is not a team in that league that will be hurt as much by the B10 moving away from divisions as EIU will be going forward.

You have to give the SEC some credit here, hate the league, but Stankey has put them at the top of the heap, football wise. Continue to play 8 games, put one cupcake game in week 11 to rest up. Avoid the best teams from playing the better teams from the other division from playing each other very often, ensuring that both Georgia and Alabama can get into the college football playoff.

The playoff committee could make this whole thing mute and just pass a rule that states to quality for the playoff, your team must play 10 P5 opponents during the regular season, If your league only wants to play your 8 conference games that is fine, but you must schedule 2 other P4 teams in the non conference. Hell come up with a list of the best G5 teams like Boise and Washington St. and say if you schedule one of these 10 to 15 teams, we will count them like a P4 team for the playoff. Rework the list after every season, and if you schedule a game with them when they are on the list, it counts towards one of 10 P4 schools.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Just because the Hoosiers got in the CFP last season doesn't mean the Big10 is better.

If the Big10 wants to be considered on par with the SEC, the reality is the gap between Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon and the the rest of the Big10 needs narrow.

I'd put Michigan in the same group, but sans-Harbaugh they've been mediocre over the last 20 years. It would help if a couple among USC, UCLA and Washington become consistent CFP teams.

Michigan won a championship 2 seasons ago, if anything Penn state doesn’t belong in that conversation.

Btw you could say the same thing for the SEC, if the rest of the conference doesn’t catch up to Georgia Bama and Texas the rest of the conference really needs to close the gap.

When the SEC wins a natty without bagmen and a 9 game schedule then that’s a fair point to make

 

[ClubCy]

Michigan won a championship 2 seasons ago, if anything Penn state doesn’t belong in that conversation.

Btw you could say the same thing for the SEC, if the rest of the conference doesn’t catch up to Georgia Bama and Texas the rest of the conference really needs to close the gap.

When the SEC wins a natty without bagmen and a 9 game schedule then that’s a fair point to make

Let’s say Ohio State/Michigan are Bama/Georgia. You really want to try and argue that Penn State/Oregon/USC have been up to par with LSU/Florida/Oklahoma/Auburn some years?

It even looks worse if I exclude the new Pac teams.

 

[Gonzo]

Let’s say Ohio State/Michigan are Bama/Georgia. You really want to try and argue that Penn State/Oregon/USC have been up to par with LSU/Florida/Oklahoma/Auburn some years?

It even looks worse if I exclude the new Pac teams.

Florida? Florida has finished unranked 9 of the last 15 seasons. Auburn has finished unranked 10 of the last 15 seasons and hasn't had a top-10 finish since 2013.

 

[ClubCy]

Florida? Florida has finished unranked 9 of the last 15 seasons. Auburn has finished unranked 10 of the last 15 seasons and hasn't had a top-10 finish since 2013.

Well I thought we were talking about national championships since the poster I was responding to said Michigan belongs in the Bama/Georgia category since they won it two years. Florida and Auburn have won the same amount of national championships as the entire Big 10 in the last 20 years. The SEC has had twice as many different champions than the Big 10 has championships. Literally the only thing these two league have in common over the last 20 years is the money they make.

What criteria would you like to use because any single one you want shows that the SEC has been the best conference top to bottom for the past 20 years. Which also goes for any big 12 fan who says the SEC hasn’t been best.

 

[Gonzo]

Well I thought we were talking about national championships since the poster I was responding to said Michigan belongs in the Bama/Georgia category since they won it two years. Florida and Auburn have won the same amount of national championships as the entire Big 10 in the last 20 years.

What criteria would you like to use because any single one you want shows that the SEC has been the best conference top to bottom for the past 20 years. Which also goes for any big 12 fan who says the SEC hasn’t been best.

Florida's nattys were in the mid-2000s. Auburn's natty was in 2010. Any time I bring up Iowa's four top-10 finishes in the mid-2000s or Orange Bowl win in 2009 I'm told that's ancient history. Lol.

I'm not saying the SEC hasn't been the undisputed best conference for the past 20 years. They absolutely have. I'm just saying Florida and Auburn have been irrelevant for a decade. Not the best examples of SEC power.

 

[ClubCy]

Florida's nattys were in the mid-2000s. Auburn's natty was in 2010. Any time I bring up Iowa's four top-10 finishes in the mid-2000s or Orange Bowl win in 2009 I'm told that's ancient history. Lol.

I'm not saying the SEC hasn't been the undisputed best conference for the past 20 years. They absolutely have. I'm just saying Florida and Auburn have been irrelevant for a decade. Not the best examples of SEC power.

Totally understand that it’s a pretty broad scope and really anyone can manipulate the years to make their argument stand on better ground but you did say earlier that the Big 10 has been better in the last 3 years.

They have had the best individual team the past 2 years but I will respectfully disagree that they have been a better ‘conference’ the past 3 years.

 

[Gonzo]

Totally understand that it’s a pretty broad scope and really anyone can manipulate the years to make their argument stand on better ground but you did say earlier that the Big 10 has been better in the last 3 years.

They have had the best individual team the past 2 years but I will respectfully disagree that they have been a better ‘conference’ the past 3 years.

And I think the notion that the SEC has some all powerful and incomparable "middle tier" that sets it apart at the top of the mountain is a complete myth, but to each his own.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Just because the Hoosiers got in the CFP last season doesn't mean the Big10 is better.

If the Big10 wants to be considered on par with the SEC, the reality is the gap between Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon and the the rest of the Big10 needs narrow.

I'd put Michigan in the same group, but sans-Harbaugh they've been mediocre over the last 20 years. It would help if a couple among USC, UCLA and Washington become consistent CFP teams.

But the B1G was better than the SEC last year. Happens. They do that from time to time. However, they won't string together year after year after year being the best. Either way, kudos to the B1G last year. They earned my respect.

 

[cyclones500]

And I think the notion that the SEC has some all powerful and incomparable "middle tier" that sets it apart at the top of the mountain is a complete myth, but to each his own.

I agree.

My Big Beautiful Broad-Brush generalization comparing BiG and SEC: Big Ten doesn’t have as many “realistic” title contenders on average compared to SEC, which has more rotational power near the top.

Overall league quality (middling/bottom) could lean a little to SEC, but is not a vast gap.

 

[Gonzo]

I agree.

My Big Beautiful Broad-Brush generalization comparing BiG and SEC: Big Ten doesn’t have as many “realistic” title contenders on average compared to SEC, which has more rotational power near the top.

Overall league quality (middling/bottom) could lean a little to SEC, but is not a vast gap.

Nailed it. That's what has positioned them as the best for the past few decades. Their top has been a little bit better and deeper than the B1G's top.

 

[NWICY]

It’s not an espn guided committee, that’s weird logic that doesn’t hold up for the playoff. I don’t disagree with your bid process but with the expansion I imagine all P4 conferences will get at least 2 teams in most years

LOL, it is a espn guided committee.