Serious question from the Cougs.
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I agree the officials totally jacked up the situation by not blowing their whistles immediately and stopping action but the rule book does state that all actions, points, fouls that occur between the error and the time of correction stand. That said, again, they totally screwed up by not blowing it dead immediately. How all three of them let it continue and only blew the whistle after the shot is what is the travesty. Taking it to the extreme, let's say Homan gets mad that they screwed him out of the second FT, he turns and punches a KU player. Do the officials ignore the punch since it occurred in the time between the error and the correction?
For ***** sake this isn't a competition.
@Coug ignore her. She's a moron.
I've followed college football for most of my young life and have seen many instances of WSU being screwed by conference officials.
If you're looking for specific instances here are a couple to educate yourself via youtube:
Iowa State @ Kansas basketball 2004
(Phantom 3. ISU loses in overtime by 1.)
Kansas vs Iowa State basketball 2012
(Jeff Withey gets his 5th foul. Or not. Charged to afro man and Withey is allowed to stay in the game. Moments later a late call (obvious charge) goes against ISU. ISU loses in OT)
Texas vs Iowa State football 2013
(Iowa State seemingly strips the ball at the goal line and heads the other way for what should have been a touchdown. Officials rule down and replay officials do not overturn. Next play same ****. ISU loses 31-30. Video in link below)
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...-loss-but-isu-still-could-have-won/899019001/
Kansas State vs Iowa State football 2014
Jarvis West appears down in a critical series late in the game. However, officials rule a fumble and replay officials do not over turn. ISU loses 32-28
Iowa State @ Kansas State football 2017
3 flags picked up in KSU's favor. Start here on the final drive below. ISU loses with 0:00 left in the game.
I'm sure others can fill in the blanks on potential ones I missed.
@Coug I've made it easier with descriptions and video/photos. Even with all this there are still others I'm missing.
I'd build a Delorean from scratch to go back and watch that happen.
It was a BS application of the correctable error rule. This is supposed to be used for things like reviewing if a shot was a 2 or a 3 at the next timeout, or maybe correcting which player was assessed a foul call. But in those cases, the actions between the mistake and the correction happen during live play. In the case of the Phantom 3, you actually counted a play that happened during a dead ball situation. It shouldn't have been allowed to stand because the ball was never in play.
This would be similar to when a player goes ahead and jacks up a shot after a play is whistled dead. Nobody would ever say that shot should count in that instance.
Punching a player after the play doesn't really compare in that case either, as you can absolutely be assessed a dead ball foul for that.
I'll help. I've got a partially-completed flux capacitor sitting in my garage. You provide the DeLorean and Mr. Fusion, though.
Gotta have the Plutonium first to go into the future to nab a Mr. Fusion.
Correct, I've seen players grab a missed FT and shoot it through and then hand it to the ref. According to the same principles, that should count.
Gotta have the Plutonium first to go into the future to nab a Mr. Fusion.
If i can use it at my requests, I will get ahold of a DeLorean. So, all we need is Plutonium? Who's covering that?
Is that you Blum? No, Blum wouldn't confuse the Phantom 3 for a dead ball foul.
And while I still don't buy the argument that you can't take points off the board once play has resumed (they do it all the time for scorekeeper errors), I put the most blame on our coaching staff. The fact that it was one of our players who noticed the skipped second free throw and that our coaches didn't insist on getting the scoreboard error fixed before the second free throw makes it our fault.
Gotta have the Plutonium first to go into the future to nab a Mr. Fusion.
If we're going to use Plutonium, we need a small nuclear reactor. My small nuke overloaded the other day, so it's toast. Was hoping to find somebody like this guy to get us the Mr. Fusion.
The difference is that the scorekeeper never puts those points on the scoreboard with the officials approval who also let play resume with the points on the scoreboard.
First, I am no Walden fan but a lot of the hate for him is blaming the wrong guy and should probably be let go. Walden took over when fan support was at rock bottom, with a government and regents wanting ISU to be part of a UofI “system”, with an AD that gave him the bare minimum to keep the lights on, during a time when Hayden Fry has completely sucked all the air out of Cyclone media and gobbled up all casual fans for a generation. The turf was even peeling up in places even. Despite being handicapped by significant scholarship reductions his first few years due to the previous coaching regime he still managed a winning record in 1989 (which would have been a bowl season today) and owns two of the biggest upset wins in ISU history. Following his best season the next few years he had an injured star running back (Blaise Bryant) and had to go to a third string QB that wasn’t even a QB. The last few years were bad and the die had been cast by that point. He was understably bitter and said a lot of things he probably regrets. Walden never had a chance here but still almost got over the hump. He is a scapegoat for a lot of people’s wrath but we set him up for failure. Heck, he had a chance to leave and turned it down for ISU. He found Troy Davis...just wished he’d have played him.
You show me a coach that could have succeeded with no money, no facilities, no fans, no media, and reduced scholarships when already at a significant talent gap.
Rather than go back and rehash the Phantom 3 debate (again), I want to hear more from the Cougars about their horror stories. We think we have plenty, but they certainly have a good one from this season.
Who would have thought that we would find our fan base soulmate (in groin shots) through the Alamo Bowl?
Who would have thought that we would find our fan base soulmate (in groin shots) through the Alamo Bowl?
