SIAP: Travis Hines with a great article

[boone7247]

Lol, step away from the keyboard. I said I was disapointed that my expectations were not met. Never blamed players coaches etc.

I then said that if people such as Hines or people who do not invest money into the program did, they might have a better understanding of why people get upset when expectations are not met. I also said I do not agree with people attacking players on Twitter at all.

No I do not think I'm better then someone who doesn't give money to ISU athletics. Show me where I said that? Is reading tough for you? I simply said I feel I'm more invested than someone who doesn't. Which I literally am.

BTW life long clone here bud, even have a cyclone tattoo, go back to my previous post I said I completely understand it's entertainment, I.E. My example of a movie, can I be disappointed if a movie I pay for is not good? Or am I supposed to poop out rainbows because the director put his blood sweat and tears into it?

Your missing the point my simple minded friend.

Way to hide behind the screen and tell me to **** off though real classy Boone. (there is a layup of a joke but I'll stay away.)

Read your posts again. Pretty sure they are laden with superiority due to your uber spending on ISU. Also we lost a game in a tournament that can only have one winner. Take some solace in the fact that we finished second in the most competitive conference in the nation won a big 12 title and played some of the most memorable games we ever have this year.

Your example of a movie doesn't equate. Movies are subjective follow ******* and have actors. Sports are the ultimate reality tv. Yes on paper they lay out one way, but put in action with emotions and pressure and no one knows what will happen.

It is okay to have expectations. We all had ISU winning yesterday, but it didn't happen. We have the right men at the helm to correct the issue and next will come.

 

[howie]

Read your posts again. Pretty sure they are laden with superiority due to your uber spending on ISU. Also we lost a game in a tournament that can only have one winner. Take some solace in the fact that we finished second in the most competitive conference in the nation won a big 12 title and played some of the most memorable games we ever have this year.

Your example of a movie doesn't equate. Movies are subjective follow ******* and have actors. Sports are the ultimate reality tv. Yes on paper they lay out one way, but put in action with emotions and pressure and no one knows what will happen.

It is okay to have expectations. We all had ISU winning yesterday, but it didn't happen. We have the right men at the helm to correct the issue and next will come.

Don't fall down back pedaling chief.

Your dancing around the point now after you attacked me, my post are laden with superiority? Now your smart enough to tell tone through written text?

Now your explaining to me how a tournament works? Lol I enjoyed the season never said I didn't. Just said the end result didn't meet my expectations, hopefully it didn't meet others as well.

Think next time before you try to flex your internet muscles and post 6 reasons cussing me out making you look stupid, I hope you didn't go to ISU, makes the alumni base not look very good.

 

[CarlHungus]

I invested tens of dollars into this program, and demand better results!

 

[jsb]

Yeah, the expectations are not the problem. It's fans who have expectations that can't handle it like adults when they're not met.

This times a thousand.

I want the players and coaches to have expectations. That is their job. As a fan, my job is to cheer. That's it. They owe me nothing. If at some point I don't think my money is being well spent, then I should find something else to do with my entertainment dollars. You should do. But most of you are the first idiots patting these guys on the back and wanting them to show up and do what you want. If you are ****** that they didn't get to the Final Four, then don't show up next year and certainly stop posting about it on here.

I'm surprised at the number of idiot fans we have that took Hoiberg words at the Midnight Madness thing and took that as some sort of guarantee that we would get to the Final Four. I was there. I took it as the team was going to aim for that. I realize that anything can happen.

I think it is somewhat striking that Travis wrote this. The crap that has been said about this team has gotten around to the media and the team. That's not good. Do we want a coach that has to deal with some of our fans?

This has been the best 4 years of basketball in school history. We have a nationally relevant team. We have an elite coach. We have players who WANT to be here (remember when anyone with a pulse transferred out?). We have players who seem to be the exact kind of people we want to represent our school.

I'll be damned if I'm going to stand by and let some of the comments that you idiots made go without challenging them.

You can express your frustrations by talking to friends or by throwing a fit in your house. Hell, I'm not above this. After the Kansas State loss, I slammed a door so hard the trim popped off. But I try and keep that stuff off of here because it does no good. None.

Just don't be an *******. It's a pretty small bar, but a lot of you can't do it.

 

[OWLCITYCYFAN]

Of course, we can talk about how lucky they are to have us due to what other teams have not given us and throw insults at them. That will prove they are wrong! Please, bring up our lack of previous success. Hines already called it.

I've read this four times and still have no idea what you're trying to say...

 

[jsb]

Don't fall down back pedaling chief.

Your dancing around the point now after you attacked me, my post are laden with superiority? Now your smart enough to tell tone through written text?

Now your explaining to me how a tournament works? Lol I enjoyed the season never said I didn't. Just said the end result didn't meet my expectations, hopefully it didn't meet others as well.

Think next time before you try to flex your internet muscles and post 6 reasons cussing me out making you look stupid, I hope you didn't go to ISU, makes the alumni base not look very good.

Your ******* expectations don't matter. They just don't. If you aren't entertained, then stop by tickets. But you were entertained. That's all you, as a freaking fan, can expect.

 

[jsb]

Would give anything for a Vroman or Homan.

I liked both of those guys. Both of those guys were not nearly as successful as the last 4 teams that Hoiberg had. Why exactly do you want players that contributed to far less success than the players we have?

Personally, I feel pretty damn lucky that we have a Monte and a Georges and everyone of the rest of them. They were tough enough to win 25 games, finish second in the Big 12, finish the regular season and tournament off in a great way. I'm pretty pumped about those guys.

Homan's teams never even sniffed the success that we just witnessed.

 

[jsb]

Sat by two of them at the big 12 tournament. Sure, things weren't going well in the first half of those games, but these guys were bagging on the players and Fred. Made me wonder why they even came to the games. Can only imagine that while they're not happy today either, they're probably going around running their mouth as if to say they told you so. Part of me didn't think they even deserved to see the 3 big comeback wins.

I sit near an idiot at Hilton who does nothing but ***** the entire game. The guy seriously is never happy. He was ******** when we were up 20 against Arkansas. He's always yelling at Fred. He's a terrible excuse for a fan (Section 218, second row from the top, on the end near Section 217).

I am intrigued by him though. Why does he come to the games? Does he get any joy out of them? Why would you do something that makes you so miserable?

 

[jsb]

Our fanbase TOOK OVER Kansas City this year. We outnumbered a program in their own backyard that has won 11 straight conference titles. We continually show up to support a football program that has won 1 conference game the last two seasons...from the threads on here, and all the comments about our fanbase on social media you would think we had the most unsupportive, harshest group of idiots out there.

Other programs would love to have a fanbase like our's.

The fans took over, but that doesn't mean there aren't too many ******** in our fanbase. Hell, everyone in the national media talked about how intense and angry the Iowa State fanbase was. I would hate to see what the fans would have done to the team had they lost to Texas.

Travis is nothing if not fair. If he wrote about fans being a bit too intense and a bit too stupid, then it is fair to say that some of our fans are out of control.

We just need to act like adults.

 

[Clone_12]

I liked both of those guys. Both of those guys were not nearly as successful as the last 4 teams that Hoiberg had. Why exactly do you want players that contributed to far less success than the players we have?

Personally, I feel pretty damn lucky that we have a Monte and a Georges and everyone of the rest of them. They were tough enough to win 25 games, finish second in the Big 12, finish the regular season and tournament off in a great way. I'm pretty pumped about those guys.

Homan's teams never even sniffed the success that we just witnessed.

Don't think he's saying he wants them INSTEAD of our guys...just that it would be nice to bring in a physical enforcer like Homan or Vroman. Those guys both would've been key players for this team...their lack of team accomplishments didn't have much to do with them.

Homan's senior year the clones lost in the round of 32 against unc. The following year after being the lone real departure, ISU went 6-10 in big 12 play and didn't even make the NIT if that says anything about the impact he made...also Vroman was one of the first picks of the 2nd round of the NBA draft.

I doubt we'd complain if we brought in a player like that.

 

[Clone_12]

The fans took over, but that doesn't mean there aren't too many ******** in our fanbase. Hell, everyone in the national media talked about how intense and angry the Iowa State fanbase was. I would hate to see what the fans would have done to the team had they lost to Texas.

Travis is nothing if not fair. If he wrote about fans being a bit too intense and a bit too stupid, then it is fair to say that some of our fans are out of control.

We just need to act like adults.

Huh???? I am assuming by "everyone in the national media talked about how intense and angry the Iowa State fanbase was" you mean 1 or 2 people said something about them being upset with the way the first 35 minutes went.

99% of our fanbase has been fine. We are spending all sorts of time focusing on the 1%.

 

[jsb]

And 99% of our fans are.

Maybe, but I don't think Travis would write what he did if there wasn't more than 1% of our fans that were ********.

We've got a good thing going here and I wish that more of you could see it.

 

[Clone_12]

Maybe, but I don't think Travis would write what he did if there wasn't more than 1% of our fans that were ********.

We've got a good thing going here and I wish that more of you could see it.

99% of us do. Plus I was in KC too. The fans were frustrated the first 35 minutes but were engaged the whole game and helped will the team back.

 

[CloneZone13]

Social media sucks! Problem is, there's no telling who it is. I'm too old to be 'that' involved in it, thank god! I would hate to be young and deal with the social media these days. I know for a fact that NON-ISU fans troll players and that there some as*ho** cyclone fans that get after players directly, which should never happen. It may be unrealistic for players to avoid social media, but it's not the fans over expectations. The players and coaches have said many times that their expectation is to compete for the national championship. They failed, and despite social media; Hilton, ISU, and Ames will be 100% behind them next year. I hope the players could ignore the few on social media and listen to the 15K fans every home game and lord knows how many in Kansas City, and the 100 , 000 ' s around the country that do support them. It is NOT on the fans. ISU has one of most loyal fan bases in the country.

 

[CloneZone13]

All fans feel passionately about their team regardless of the money they gave or didn't give; usually the resource we give the most is time, and we are all high donors of that. Fans have every right to be mad at their team, just as much as they have a right to be happy for their team when things are going well. CF, to me, is an acceptable place to come and vent (within reason) or praise the team because this is a place for fans. Coming here (CF) is being able to talk about your favorite team with people who actually understand your passion. I don't talk to people in Kansas about the Cyclones because they don't care, but on CF, everyone gets what you are talking about and wants to talk about it also. That's the beauty. If you can't come here and express your frustrations with people who might actually understand why you're frustrated, then I think attendance of CF would start to drop-off.This should not be a place for the players to come and get their evaluations of how good they are. They need to understand that negative things will be said here, because this is where Cyclone fans come to be together. Negative comments are usually made in the heat of the moment, and they are not to be taken personally, but it happens here. They know that if they come here, then they are basically seeking out criticism. That being said, voicing negative opinions about players directly on twitter or any other public social-media platform, is a mistake and poor taste. Specifically tweeting to them is completely uncalled for. Main Point: Fans - come to CF to vent and be angry, stay off the other avenues. It's acceptable here, within reason. Players, avoid here unless you are prepared to read what is written and not take it to heart. It's not personal, they are heat of the moment comments, and best judgements aren't made while mad.sorry for the lecture...it's the educator in me.

This us how I feel. CF is my place to vent about my frustrations. I would never boo players at a game, or say anything but encouraging words to them in person. The venting is short lived knee-jerk reactions, and is in no way what I feel about ISU athletics or any particular players.

 

[TurbulentEddie]

I don't even understand the first thing behind "coaches and players should be held accountable by fans". How, exactly, should this happen? Should ISU athletics refund your money? Should donors get special access to players/coaches? I sure as hell don't want joe blow fan wasting the coaches and players time by telling them how to do their jobs. And if you think that accountability should somehow just be in the effort put out on the floor, then you're implying that the players haven't tried their best or that they don't care as much as you do, which is completely bogus.

If you want to have an actual impact on how the team is run, stop buying tickets and stop watching games. Make Pollard fire Hoiberg. All the complaints and insults yelled, emailed, or tweeted at the coaches and players is just a waste of your and their time, at best. I'm certain that they know when they've made a mistake. They're not going to (positively) change how they coach or how they play because some random fans are also upset. Heck, even the worst D-I coaches and (scholarship) athletes are probably better at coaching and playing basketball than you. Why would you even begin to think you know better or somehow deserve more from a perennial top 25 team?

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I've read this four times and still have no idea what you're trying to say...

There is the Cyclone persistence. By gosh, most would have quit after one time, but you stuck with it. I should be thankful you didn't move on.

I am sure you have heard, but any other university with as little historical success would not have the support this program does now. So, even though this team had one of our best seasons, we are being overly harsh because they didn't have enough success to make up for a previous century largely filled with little success. And next year, after the colossal letdown of making our forth straight tournament for the first time and having to come from behind again in the Big 12 tournament? They better not have one errant pass.

 

[Mumbai1986]

Solution for this team? Beat the teams you are supposed to beat.

Losing to Baylor, KU or OU will not anger people because those teams are good.

Losing to Texas Tech, K State, UAB, South Carolina will anger people because those should be sure fire wins.

Win the games you are supposed to win, and try to steal some your not supposed to. People are not clamoring for a perfect season, but for consistency.

Hopefully next year's team is more consistent.

 

[jsb]

Solution for this team? Beat the teams you are supposed to beat.

Losing to Baylor, KU or OU will not anger people because those teams are good.

Losing to Texas Tech, K State, UAB, South Carolina will anger people because those should be sure fire wins.

Win the games you are supposed to win, and try to steal some your not supposed to. People are not clamoring for a perfect season, but for consistency.

Hopefully next year's team is more consistent.

Almost every team loses games they aren't supposed to. It happens. It happened to Kansas this year. It happened to Oklahoma. It happened to us. Duke lost to Miami. Wisconsin lost to Rutgers.

People have got to be realistic.

 

[BodeClone]

Solution for this team? Beat the teams you are supposed to beat.

Losing to Baylor, KU or OU will not anger people because those teams are good.

Losing to Texas Tech, K State, UAB, South Carolina will anger people because those should be sure fire wins.

Win the games you are supposed to win, and try to steal some your not supposed to. People are not clamoring for a perfect season, but for consistency.

Hopefully next year's team is more consistent.

This isn't an excuse, but we haven't played a below average team in a really long time.