Social Distancing at ISU

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I have heard from people that should know, that when someone donates blood and the blood tests positive for the antibodies, they are reporting that as a current positive COVID case. While I agree that it is evidence they had the virus, the timing of it is impossible to determine, which, IMO, makes the data trends for daily reporting less useful.

Anyone know firsthand if this is legit? Hard to know what to believe anymore.

Don't know first hand but I've heard similar and it came out a while ago that reported cases included antibody results.

With so many variables in how the cases get reported I try to look at general weeklyish trends since a bunch of cases reported one day could very well be from about a week earlier.
 

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Young people everywhere are fed up with the stages of lockdown. It's not just an 801 day problem.



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I'd be more concerned about the urine and fecal matter in the water with that man people...
 

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Young people everywhere are fed up with the stages of lockdown. It's not just an 801 day problem.



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I'd be more concerned about the urine and fecal matter in the water with that man people...


I think that's more of a celebration as restrictions were lifted and they've had no 'reported' new cases for a long time.

And I'm still not understanding why people are acting like all of these ISU students were on lockdown. A vast majority of them are from Iowa, correct? People have been gathering this whole time.
 
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I have heard from people that should know, that when someone donates blood and the blood tests positive for the antibodies, they are reporting that as a current positive COVID case. While I agree that it is evidence they had the virus, the timing of it is impossible to determine, which, IMO, makes the data trends for daily reporting less useful.

Anyone know firsthand if this is legit? Hard to know what to believe anymore.

Pretty well every state has said that they don't count it in the confirmed cases, but only in the probable:

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It looks like the state of Iowa just breaks serology results out into their own metric to avoid the whole question (see bottom of page 10 of this document from the IDPH): LINK
 
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Again - this is the dumbing down the expectations of our children, young adults, and adults that is leading to exactly that - a dumbing down of America.

We apparently have very different experiences as I come from a very normal, working class family and everybody I have associated myself with has a well grounded understanding of our place in a larger society. I'm not saying there aren't different viewpoints, but if you don't expect anything better from kids than to just say - ehh, that's what kids do - then we are doomed to continue our slide down the world pecking order as disciplined countries like Japan, South Korea, etc overtake us.

Am I surprised college students are acting this way? No.

Do I think they should be acting differently, regardless of their age? Yes.

Do I think too many people have assumed that 18-22 year olds aren't capable of being adults? Absolutely.

I have 2 close coworkers with kids at Iowa State. One has a kid that is terrified to be around his peers already after a single weekend of seeing them all party without masks. The other thinks they're going to get it anyways so might as well have fun in the meantime and not mask up. I can tell you which parents are more proud of their kid right now.

But the University is more than willing to bring these kids back and take their money...

I think individual responsibility inevitably lies in the students for not following the rules, but I also find culpability with the University for even bringing them back, knowing full well what the outcome would be.

I'm also trying to be a bit empathetic because I'm not sure 18-22 year old Clonefan32 would have followed the rules to a tee either. I imagine it's difficult knowing you are only college aged once and knowing it's supposed to be some of the best years of your life. That doesn't justify what is just brazenly disobeying the protocols, but I can also understand where they are coming from a bit.
 

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I think that's more of a celebration as restrictions were lifted and they've had no new cases for a long time.

And I'm still not understanding why people are acting like all of these ISU students were on lockdown. A vast majority of them are from Iowa, correct? People have been gathering this whole time.

I don't want to come off as being rude or trying to make you sound stupid because that is not my intention.

But if anyone believes anything that comes out of communist China, when it comes to COVID. I've got some ocean view property in Iowa you should buy
 

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I don't want to come off as being rude or trying to make you sound stupid because that is not my intention.

But if anyone believes anything that comes out of communist China, when it comes to COVID. I've got some ocean view property in Iowa you should buy

Haha yeah agree and should re-word that as no new 'reported' cases but I do think the reason they're partying in the pool is due to comfort from restrictions being lifted a long while ago, not some form of revolt like the Germany protests a few weeks ago.
 

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So the Register has a story about a “horrifying” data glitch to the State’s numbers where they are counting current positive tests as having happened months ago when the patient tested negative.:rolleyes: Local schools should not have to rely on their BS to make decisions.
 

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I don't want to come off as being rude or trying to make you sound stupid because that is not my intention.

But if anyone believes anything that comes out of communist China, when it comes to COVID. I've got some ocean view property in Iowa you should buy

I don't like Hurricanes, I'll pass.
 

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If we set expectations to zero, we will only ever get zero. If we set expectations higher and actually start preparing 18-22 year olds for the real world - and a pandemic sounds like a great time to start - maybe more would actually be able to make it successfully on their own.

If my 9 year old can ride through Ames with his grandparents like yesterday and come home complaining about seeing “so many stupid people without masks, like 95% of them”, I’m thinking we could raise the bar a bit for those twice his age.


We can prepare 18-22 year old people for the real world but many in the real world aren't taking this seriously. My neighbor was working the Iowa State Softball Tournament. He said the vast majority of adults in attendance were not wearing masks nor social distancing. If adults don't give a crap how can we expect 18-22 year olds, many of whom could be children of those at the softball tournament, to give a crap. I read an article recently about a journalist who visited the Iowa Great Lakes over the Independence Day holiday. In short, no masks, no social distancing, and he almost got his ass beat when he wore a mask to a convenience store.
 
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Students who host parties that do not comply with social distancing and mask guidelines could also face punishment, Plowman said, adding that "we will hold the party host accountable." However, there will not be a punishment for disclosing that you attended a party to a contact tracer, Plowman added.

"We will hold you responsible, and it’s possible that you could be expelled from school and I will not hesitate to do that if our students are irresponsible," Plowman said.

 

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I have heard from people that should know, that when someone donates blood and the blood tests positive for the antibodies, they are reporting that as a current positive COVID case. While I agree that it is evidence they had the virus, the timing of it is impossible to determine, which, IMO, makes the data trends for daily reporting less useful.

Anyone know firsthand if this is legit? Hard to know what to believe anymore.

I recently gave blood so I looked at my papers

A blood center cannot, without written permission, release any information unless required by law. Hepatitis, syphilis, and HIV will be reported to the health department

It said nothing about having to report a positive serology test
 

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I think people don’t give college kids enough credit. Last time I was in campustown I saw a group of freshman girls walking down the street drinking from plastic water bottles. Glad to see they were being responsible and staying hydrated on a hot summer night.

That was vodka boomer.
 

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I think people don’t give college kids enough credit. Last time I was in campustown I saw a group of freshman girls walking down the street drinking from plastic water bottles. Glad to see they were being responsible and staying hydrated on a hot summer night.

I agree with this based on my not scientific observations at the grocery store. Younger people seem more likely to wear masks and social distance than the 30-50 folks.

My own two college students did something they said they were done with and decided to get an apartment together rather than with friends because they are concerned about choices with the virus. They agreed to help their cousin with distance learning for her daughter, who is undergoing yet another round of chemo, and between the two of them are covering three days a week. Trying very hard not to expose the little girl, wearing masks and face shields.
 

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I agree with this based on my not scientific observations at the grocery store. Younger people seem more likely to wear masks and social distance than the 30-50 folks.

My own two college students did something they said they were done with and decided to get an apartment together rather than with friends because they are concerned about choices with the virus. They agreed to help their cousin with distance learning for her daughter, who is undergoing yet another round of chemo, and between the two of them are covering three days a week. Trying very hard not to expose the little girl, wearing masks and face shields.


First - You've raised thoughtful human beings!

Second - I'm sure there are many more college kids not at the bars doing the right things vs. the ones at the bars.
 
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