SOTU CF 12/31/19
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Unfortunately we won’t hit rock bottom until next year which will then force JP’s hand.
You’re looking at 2022-23 before we can expect another tourney run.
You’re looking at 2022-23 before we can expect another tourney run.
If we’re lucky enough that JP hires a decent coach. I give it about a 40% chance.
Any coach that is capable of losing to Florida A&M at home can never be trusted. Even if they "win on the road at TCU"
He has benefited from some of the greatest talent Iowa State has seen due to Fred's recruiting. The team has won in spite of him, not due to him. He's in way over his head and needs to go.
Fred didnt recruit. But i agree with you that Prohm is clearly not a D1 coach. He had success in a.bad league with the best team.
Unfortunately hes at least here throuth this year and probably next. Theyre not going to makw the tournament unless something absolutely crazy takes place. At this point, i hope he doesnt if only to force a change.
Do whatever you can to get Otz here. He would be a great replacement for Steve
The hottest gal we ever had dumped us, we got with another attractive gal, but she just turned out to be unstable. So now we want original girls less attractive sister because she kind of had a thing for us back in the day...
At no point in any of this was Prohm "another attractive gal"
Id disagree, he was the attractive reboud gal that filled a void for a short time. But then you realized you really couldn't hold a conversation with.
5 years ago, 11th ranked Iowa State beat 9th ranked Kansas with college gameday in the house.
Last night we lost at home to the "rattlers"...
Let that sink in.
Last night we lost at home to the "rattlers"...
Let that sink in.
Yeah, but we've also seen that he is capable of beating Texas Tech on the road last season as well.
That's what gets me the most; the absolute inconsistency that we see from season to season. Even in the 2017-18 season we went from losing to Milwaukee by 18 points at home to absolutely dominating ranked teams in Texas Tech and West Virginia in Hilton.
It's well known that I am (or was) a Prohm supporter, especially against the people on here who made up their minds to hate him from Day One because he's not Fred. But last night was devastating for him, and maybe even for the program.
We might be at the point of diminishing returns with Prohm right now, and (Captain Obvious) that's not a place where you want to be. Even with our personnel losses from last season, you absolutely cannot lose to a 1-win low-major MEAC team at home in your fifth year of being in charge of the program.
I think this says it about as well as it can be said. I don't see how Prohm can recover from this December. He may hold on to his job for awhile longer, but he's lost the fan base and there's nothing in his history at ISU to suggest he's capable of the kind of run of sustained, high-level play it would take to win them back.
For the 18 who are currently still supportive of Prohm can you make your case. I don’t think people realize just how bad this loss was.
Florida A&M isn’t just bad they are just atrocious. This was a worse and more shocking loss than Virginia losing to UMBC. They hadn’t ever beat a P-5 team let alone beating Iowa State in Hilton.
Florida A&M isn’t just bad they are just atrocious. This was a worse and more shocking loss than Virginia losing to UMBC. They hadn’t ever beat a P-5 team let alone beating Iowa State in Hilton.
I've defended Prohm quite a bit in the past, but last night was absolutely infuriating. Hali or no Hali, you don't lose games like that. You just don't.
As @ISUChippewa put it, the inconsistency is maddening at times. Where was the team that beat Seton Hall and hung with Michigan the whole game?
I want nothing more than for Prohm to right the ship, but I'm really worried that he might be in over his head after that. Losses like last night are the types of games that will make this thing get away from him.
As @ISUChippewa put it, the inconsistency is maddening at times. Where was the team that beat Seton Hall and hung with Michigan the whole game?
I want nothing more than for Prohm to right the ship, but I'm really worried that he might be in over his head after that. Losses like last night are the types of games that will make this thing get away from him.
Pretty much left this board last year after all the grief I received for being critical of Prohm and saying repeatedly he was not a P5 coach and was out of his league.
The guy is an above average recruiter (he’s had some pretty big misses). He runs a clean program. That’s it. That’s the full list of things he is capable of doing adequately as a head coach at a P5 program.
The guy is an above average recruiter (he’s had some pretty big misses). He runs a clean program. That’s it. That’s the full list of things he is capable of doing adequately as a head coach at a P5 program.
I don't bag on coaches or players after a loss.
But that was the kind of loss, when combined with a season of poor shooting and defensive efforts, that comes with broader repercussions to a program in Year 5. A lot of program defining things are put at risk that go beyond the coaches or the guys in the floor.
This team isn't good, but it is definitely playing worse than they should. It seems they desperately need an Ejim, who leads with accountability and backs it up with his play.
But that was the kind of loss, when combined with a season of poor shooting and defensive efforts, that comes with broader repercussions to a program in Year 5. A lot of program defining things are put at risk that go beyond the coaches or the guys in the floor.
This team isn't good, but it is definitely playing worse than they should. It seems they desperately need an Ejim, who leads with accountability and backs it up with his play.
