Star Wars Expanded Universe Thread

I don't think he trashes it or says it "sucks." He says it was "mediocre" until the Third Act and then it kicks ass, which isn't an unfair description. I'm aware of what A New Hope must have seemed like to audiences used to campy 50s, 60s, and 70s sci-fi, but that context doesn't matter much nowadays.



Definitely a good instance of the "Western in space" subgenre. Though, to be fair, some of the effects during that sequence are distractingly bad. They just used whatever Halloween mask they could find.



True on Leia.

With only A New Hope to go on, Vader isn't a particularly memorable character. Many of the best bad guy moments go to Tarkin holding Vader's leash. Most of his legend is built in Empire and Jedi.



Dear goodness don't give Disney any ideas.



I've always joked to myself that Star Wars is basically an AI prompt that reads...

"Come up with a science fiction movie based on Dune only simplify the plot for a more general audience, change enough to make it a distinct IP and thus avoid a lawsuit, and make the action sequences cool and based on what the filming and special effects techniques of the late 1970s can handle. More or less cribbing from WWII dogfight movies could work. Could we make that sort of thing space-y enough?"
I'm not sure I could disagree more on your Vader take. Him striding on to the ship in his stark black costume with the respirator noise voiced by James Earl Jones, interrogating a rebel, and crushing his throat is the table setter for the trilogy. He kills Obi-Wan and wipes out a bunch of rebel fighters in the trench run. I'll give you that Tarkin was an excellent bad guy too, but Vader was iconic from the start. Amazing character design and voice acting.
 
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I'm not sure I could disagree more on your Vader take. Him striding on to the ship in his stark black costume with the respirator noise voiced by James Earl Jones, interrogating a rebel, and crushing his throat is the table setter for the trilogy. He kills Obi-Wan and wipes out a bunch of rebel fighters in the trench run. I'll give you that Tarkin was an excellent bad guy too, but Vader was iconic from the start. Amazing character design and voice acting.

Not "a particularly memorable character" was probably too strong of phrasing on my part. He's a good one, if only because he's this weird space samurai, has a history with Obi-Wan, and is present at the climax. But the Death Star/the Battle of Yavin is fundamentally Tarkin's show, not Vader's.

Come Empire and Vader is in charge and he's not ******* around. And turns out he's even more intimately involved in this drama than we thought (we all know what that twist is) and the plot of Jedi is essentially playing out the implications from that Vader is Luke's father and what to do about it.
 
Not "a particularly memorable character" was probably too strong of phrasing on my part. He's a good one, if only because he's this weird space samurai, has a history with Obi-Wan, and is present at the climax. But the Death Star/the Battle of Yavin is fundamentally Tarkin's show, not Vader's.

Come Empire and Vader is in charge and he's not ******* around. And turns out he's even more intimately involved in this drama than we thought (we all know what that twist is) and the plot of Jedi is essentially playing out the implications from that Vader is Luke's father and what to do about it.
The recent shows have also filled in back story of his galactic menace which helps further his character. I think hes even more awesome now. Would love some of his adventures filmed, but not sure Disney wants to do a Vader show where he just mows down good guys.
 
The recent shows have also filled in back story of his galactic menace which helps further his character. I think hes even more awesome now. Would love some of his adventures filmed, but not sure Disney wants to do a Vader show where he just mows down good guys.
The Vader comics and novels that feature him are awesome if you need a Vader fix
 
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The recent shows have also filled in back story of his galactic menace which helps further his character. I think hes even more awesome now. Would love some of his adventures filmed, but not sure Disney wants to do a Vader show where he just mows down good guys.

The end of Rogue One was amazing. Him walking through the bodies to start ANH would been so much better if that had been directly involved with the massacre like in RO.
 
The end of Rogue One was amazing. Him walking through the bodies to start ANH would been so much better if that had been directly involved with the massacre like in RO.

It does create a bit of a jarring effect, though, if watched chronologically.

In Rogue One, he's this laser sword ninja with fluid movements kicking all the ass.

In A New Hope, he's a guy in a heavy suit finding it awkward to move around moments later.
 
It does create a bit of a jarring effect, though, if watched chronologically.

In Rogue One, he's this laser sword ninja with fluid movements kicking all the ass.

In A New Hope, he's a guy in a heavy suit finding it awkward to move around moments later.
In a recent show, he moves a bit slower too. No idea if that was intentional, but he's more methodical and brutish, while those he fights are more quick and emotional. He knows hes powerful and skilled and just toys with the enemy.
 
I like Vader as a slow moving, unstoppable force who is always just around the corner. He’s like a Jedi slaying Pepe Le Pew
 
I posted this in the May the 4th thread but it was at the end of the day so I'm not sure how many saw it, but if you haven't seen Cardboard Wars it's a pretty awesome spoof of A New Hope. I have no idea who Zach King is but apparently he is a well known content creator, and I recognize a couple people in this. The guy who plays Han Solo does a hilarious Harrison Ford impression.