Sub-divisions? What?

[Flynn4Heisman]

Okay, I just heard today about this whole "sub-division" thing. Why change Division I-A, and I-AA? What exactly are these new "sub-divisions"?

Honestly, now it's just plain confusing.

 

[ornryactor]

Agreed. As I posted in the CFB: Week 1 thread-

Since when did "Football Bowl Subdivision" and "Football Championship Subdivision" replace "D-1" and "D-1AA"? Having fancy names is all well and good, but those things are really cumbersome to say and easy to confuse verbally. I'm not a fan, and will continue to refer to them by their sensible names.

 

[AirWalke]

I also hate the new names. Just appears to me as a candy coating to make the lower division seem like it's not as bad. Although we now know teams like Appalachian State can sneak up on 1-A powerhouses like Michigan and win when they're napping, other 1-AA teams would never be able to stand a chance because of the talent divide.

If someone corrects me when I say 1-A or 1-AA in the future, I'm going to smack them. :wink:

 

[jdoggivjc]

It's already turned into an "artist formerly known as 'Prince'" thing...

Pretty much all commentators are saying the "former" D I-A and "former" D I-AA so they don't have to deal with "Bowl" Division and "Championship" Division. I can't imagine this lasting two or three more seasons.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Very poor choice in naming them, I agree. I'm not sure if they were trying to make Div. II sound better or what. I'm still not sure why they can't just go I, II, III, IV

 

[jbhtexas]

I also hate the new names. Just appears to me as a candy coating to make the lower division seem like it's not as bad.

We don't want to risk hurting anybody's self esteem. This is just more "politcially correct" nonsense like many states do for high schools. Can't have classes named A, B, C, D, E because that will hurt the self-esteem of those who aren't in class A, so we call them class 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, and 1A so that everybody gets to be in class A.

 

[ornryactor]

We don't want to risk hurting anybody's self esteem. This is just more "politcially correct" nonsense like many states do for high schools. Can't have classes named A, B, C, D, E because that will hurt the self-esteem of those who aren't in class A, so we call them class 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, and 1A so that everybody gets to be in class A.

Huh, I never knew that. Makes sense. See, I don't mind that because it's still based on a strict (though arbitrary) numbering system that is easy to say and think about. Nobody gets confused and thinks a class 4A school is really tiny. These new football things are specifically eschewing the number system in favor of muddying the waters with words.

 

[ISUFan22]

As far as I'm concerned, it's Division I-A and Division I-AA.

 

[CyBandCG]

Many of the announcers or broadcasters kept referring to it as Division 1-AA but then had to correct themselves. The Appie State coach did during his interview after the game.

 

[brianhos]

As far as I'm concerned, it's Division I-A and Division I-AA.

And the I-Cubs will always play at Sec Taylor.

 

[ornryactor]

And the I-Cubs will always play at Sec Taylor.

And anything west of the Mississippi will always be a territory! And the Berlin Wall will always separate East Germany from West!

Seriously though, not all name changes are bad; just the ones that confuse people.

 

[clones_jer]

I kinda like it - only because it put an empathsis on the fact that some college football teams have a real championship and playoff.

 

[hansen55]

I think we should change it to "Division I-A" and "The Who Gives a $#!* Division(s)???, Except When Michigan Loses In The "Big House" To a Lesser Conference Opponent." It is a bit of a mouth full, but I think it is kind of catchy...
:twitcy:

 

[dinger]

We don't want to risk hurting anybody's self esteem. This is just more "politcially correct" nonsense like many states do for high schools. Can't have classes named A, B, C, D, E because that will hurt the self-esteem of those who aren't in class A, so we call them class 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, and 1A so that everybody gets to be in class A.

nebraska high school classes are A, B, C1, C2, D1 and D2...D1 and D2 are 8 man ball...class A is the equivalent of 5A

 

[clones_jer]

nebraska high school classes are A, B, C1, C2, D1 and D2...D1 and D2 are 8 man ball...class A is the equivalent of 5A

Oh, well if that's the case then we'd better keep it as is.

 

[clones_jer]

We don't want to risk hurting anybody's self esteem. This is just more "politcially correct" nonsense like many states do for high schools. Can't have classes named A, B, C, D, E because that will hurt the self-esteem of those who aren't in class A, so we call them class 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, and 1A so that everybody gets to be in class A.

self-esteem? :skeptical: High school is based strictly on school size ... not skill level. Believe me - there are schools that would move up or down based on skill.

I don't think people are having complexes due to their school being smaller.

 

[jbhtexas]

I don't think people are having complexes due to their school being smaller.

Well, they sometimes seem to have complexes when the classifaction of their small school doesn't have the letter "A" in it...

Scroll down to the second question and answer in the link below.

The Seattle Times: High School Sports: Seeing a game in logging country? Try the Owlburger

 

[Wesley]

Use 1-Plus and 1-Minus.

 

[tester]

I agree that the name change they chose was dumb but the reasoning for changing does make sense to me. It actually had nothing to do with football or that they wanted the former 1-AA to sound better.

They were trying to remove the assumption many people had that 1-AA football schools were at a lower level in other sports. The Division 1 sub-classification only applies to football. All other sports are simply division 1. I've read many articles reporting division 1-A basketball scores when there is no such thing. Basketball and other sports are simply division 1,2, or 3.

And in the end its really not that hard to say D-1 FCS or FBS

 

[ornryactor]

And in the end its really not that hard to say D-1 FCS or FBS

But it's hard to remember which is which, especially when C=Championship, B=Bowl, and the BCS's BC=Bowl Championship. When even professional football people are getting confused, the average layman is going to have a really tough time keeping them straight. If you have to think hard about which division you mean, then they are ineffective names. A big point is brand recognition, which they're not going to get with the change.