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Not exactly sure.
I guess I need more information on how this warrants a potential season long suspension or worse. I understand the power dynamics issue and how this is problematic...however, these are two adults and the article very clearly states this was consensual. I could be totally off base and if someone wants to correct me, I'm totally open to listening and understanding, but right now I'm a bit confused.
He's her boss. The power dynamic. It becomes a bigger issue if they break up and becomes nasty. It could tank a season if that happened.
 

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I guess I need more information on how this warrants a potential season long suspension or worse. I understand the power dynamics issue and how this is problematic...however, these are two adults and the article very clearly states this was consensual. I could be totally off base and if someone wants to correct me, I'm totally open to listening and understanding, but right now I'm a bit confused.

The issue is it can't be completely consensual if one person holds power over another.

I guess I just assumed sexual harassment policies have been around long enough that people wouldn't be surprised or confused about the punishment for breaking it.
 

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The fact that people are so dense about this is truly discouraging.
Oh no, I'm sure a lower level female employee wanting to break off a relationship with a man at the top of the organization is super easy and wouldn't impact her career at all.

As for the year long suspension, this probably is more for not disclosing it.

Here's the deal - you disclose it. If the organization thinks they can structure reporting in a way that makes it work, great. If the organization doesn't, then one of them can't keep their same jobs. And if it's that serious of a relationship that someone is willing to alter their career, guess what - the dude's making $3.5M. I'm sure he could help her land on her feet elsewhere.
 

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Oh no, I'm sure a lower level female employee wanting to break off a relationship with a man at the top of the organization is super easy and wouldn't impact her career at all.

As for the year long suspension, this probably is more for not disclosing it.

Here's the deal - you disclose it. If the organization thinks they can structure reporting in a way that makes it work, great. If the organization doesn't, then one of them can't keep their same jobs. And if it's that serious of a relationship that someone is willing to alter their career, guess what - the dude's making $3.5M. I'm sure he could help her land on her feet elsewhere.
Or the possibility that her “consent” was based upon worrying about continued employment.
 

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As for the year long suspension, this probably is more for not disclosing it.

It could also be a "partial" suspension. Like he will be in the office, doing all the planning and strategizing, talking to players, etc etc etc. Pretty much 80% of the job, but just not on the bench during games.

I'd be shocked if he is just sitting at home watching Guiding Light and collecting his salary, with zero communication with the org.
 
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Or the possibility that her “consent” was based upon worrying about continued employment.
Nah, I'm sure guys that are very successful, driven and rich are totally cool with rejection and handle it with complete professionalism and carry on their business in a totally objective way.
 
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Well, maybe this would work. If they were upfront early, they could have had the GM technically hire her and be her boss. I'm sure it would work tremendously. Wonder if that has ever happened?

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Everybody thinks they can maintain objectivity with family or personal relationships in business. And everybody is wrong.

Whenever these things happen you are putting either your career or your personal relationships at some level of risk. When you throw a public position into the mix it makes things far worse. What a terrible idea.
 

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Everybody thinks they can maintain objectivity with family or personal relationships in business. And everybody is wrong.

Whenever these things happen you are putting either your career or your personal relationships at some level of risk. When you throw a public position into the mix it makes things far worse. What a terrible idea.
Didn't use the :jimlad: but hopefully you got the sarcastic tone I was using.
 
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The issue is it can't be completely consensual if one person holds power over another.

I guess I just assumed sexual harassment policies have been around long enough that people wouldn't be surprised or confused about the punishment for breaking it.
This reminds me of Bill gates having consensual relationships with his employees.
 

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Will both parties receive the same penalties/suspension??
Depends on the situation and policy. In a lot of companies the "violation" or requirement of disclosure is only if you are in a relationship with someone that is below you in the organization. For some it's anybody in the organization. And if it's the latter, they'd probably investigate to see if she was influenced by Udoka to keep it private.
 

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It could also be a "partial" suspension. Like he will be in the office, doing all the planning and strategizing, talking to players, etc etc etc. Pretty much 80% of the job, but just not on the bench during games.

I'd be shocked if he is just sitting at home watching Guiding Light and collecting his salary, with zero communication with the org.
Guiding Light has been off the air since 2009
 

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The only way it should matter is if she got higher in the organization than someone else because she was banging the coach and he got her promoted over someone more deserving. That would be a problem.
 

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The issue is it can't be completely consensual if one person holds power over another.

I guess I just assumed sexual harassment policies have been around long enough that people wouldn't be surprised or confused about the punishment for breaking it.
This is true, even back when I was starting a career. One of my bosses said "You don't get your meat where you get your bread."
 

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It's all about the lawsuits... and The Celtics are a juicy target - they have lots of money and can be easily embarrassed (i.e. extorted) with bad press since they are so well-known.

As Rabbuk says, the authority chain is a big deal, you can't have a relationship with someone who reports to you - appearance of favoritism at minimum. She gets passed over for something, she could sue. She gets something that someone else does not, they could sue.

The relationship ends badly, she can sue and claim it wasn't really consensual, or it became a power thing.

To avoid all this, there was probably a pretty clear company policy saying either "don't" or "inform the company immediately" to get it into the light. And he probably didn't follow that.
Agree. It is common for an organization - especially one of this much value and with this viability - to have rules in place about personal relationships in the office. Particularly with the chain of command.
The only way it should matter is if she got higher in the organization than someone else because she was banging the coach and he got her promoted over someone more deserving. That would be a problem.
I respectfully disagree. While what you say is, of course, one of the potential problems it’s not the only potential problem.

Keep in mind we’re talking about a multi-billion dollar corporation here. Organizations like this do not take these kind of risks. The downsides far outweigh the upsides (and I’m not even sure there is an upside).
 
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Agree. It is common for an organization - especially one of this much value and with this viability - to have rules in place about personal relationships in the office. Particularly with the chain of command.

I respectfully disagree. While what you say is, of course, one of the potential problems it’s not the only potential problem.

Keep in mind we’re talking about a multi-billion dollar corporation here. Organizations like this do not take these kind of risks. The downsides far outweigh the upsides (and I’m not even sure there is an upside).


I agree with you. I was in a spot years ago where a girl was sleeping with the boss and got promoted over me. Even though I was more qualified. It was totally weird to me, until he got fired 6 months later for sleeping with her and getting her promoted.