That's why any stipend would need to be a nominal amount and have a maximum value. $5,000 for an entire year is pretty reasonable to me, which is what Texas is proposing. That'll help athletes cover their expenses without getting out of hand. $5k basically just makes it a true cost of attendance scholarship.
texas will pay players 10,000 each when allowed
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That's why any stipend would need to be a nominal amount and have a maximum value. $5,000 for an entire year is pretty reasonable to me, which is what Texas is proposing. That'll help athletes cover their expenses without getting out of hand. $5k basically just makes it a true cost of attendance scholarship.
I hope these payments don't come as lump sums to these kids when it finally does happen. Alot of college kids deal or do drugs obviously and let's be honest, a lot of these kids grew up in neighborhoods with or around some shady individuals. I think if you give a college kid $10,000 publicly all at once you are going be be asking for trouble and having some kids getting into some shady ****. This was just the first thing that came to mind and I think it will be the beginning of the end of college sports as we know it.
This is true. I didn't factor that in. However there is a still a pretty wide disparity.
Hey, I understand that there is a lot of money flowing out there and not a lot of it going directly to the players who are generating the bulk of it, but (and I hate this term) it is a slippery slope. Should an All American get paid more than a All Conference perfomer who gets paid more than just a starter who gets paid more than a back up who gets paid more than a bench warmer? How about a red shirt? How about a medical redshirt? How about a 5 star recruit who has never played v. a four star recruit v. a 3 star recruit? How about your All Conference kicker v. your All Conference QB? What about revenue sports v. non revenue sports. That football back up gets more TV time than the golf All American, should he get paid more? At what point does it become a bidding war with Texas able to out bid ISU for a player tenfold? They easily have 10X the discretionary funds in their budget.
Human nature suggests I would probably feel differently about this if I was a Texas fan and there was no risk in paying players but there is huge risk for ISU. I have watched a Cyclone varsity sports team with over 100 years of history be cut because of lack of funding. It will only get worse when ISU's limited budget has to account for paying every participant on top of the scholarships, room and board, training table, and all of the other expenses they are already covering.
Forgive me if I am skeptical of the NCAA getting this right.
We've almost grown to accept the concept of major stipends. Many 'fans' think athletes should simply be drafted and hired or major in 'sports,' que UNC/Butch Davis/Roy Williams academics.
So much for the scholar-athlete concept, as college presidents genuflect before the money altar and A.D.'s join coaches in the multi-million dollar clubs funded by big time collegiate athletics.
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You lament the implementation of a system like this, yet one is already in place. College Sports is all about "haves" and "have nots," under the table payments to the best recruits and the best players, the big dollar programs attracting the highest ranked players while the dregs pick up the scraps. That exists. We live in that world, right now. It's only deliberate myopia that allows anyone to say that our current system isn't broken beyond belief. There's too much money involved. The current is far to strong to fight at his point. Might as well open the flood gates.
$10,000 a year plus a scholarship.... Hmmmm I paid something like $10,000 a year for college for 4 years.
I had $40,000 of debt when done.. And yes I did work part time and go to school.
So essentially they are getting $80,000 to go to school assuming they are there all 4 years.
Too much in my opinion.
I had $40,000 of debt when done.. And yes I did work part time and go to school.
So essentially they are getting $80,000 to go to school assuming they are there all 4 years.
Too much in my opinion.
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It was nothing but aegis for the NCAA, anyway. The loss of the "student-athlete" is not one that should be mourned.
I don't believe the way to combat cheating is to make it a above the table free for all. I think it is simply defeatist to say the way forward if a system is broken is to have no system. The way to combat it is put some teeth into punishments for true cheating. I'm not talking about some erroneous texts or calls but paying the family member of a top ranked player. Instead of declaring the player ineligible for a single week day between games how about throwing the book at that ****. No, instead let's look the other way with an explanation that doesn't even stand up to the lightest scrutiny and let that player and program win a NC. So it is okay for a player's family member to get paid on his behalf because he professes to not know about it but another player loses a year of eligibility because he played on a team overseas where another player (not related to him) got paid.
I guess I am making your point, it is broken. Fix the system rather than making it an above the board free for all. At least there is a little bit of fear of getting caught, how about make it a real fear and make the punishments when everyone knows a program is dirty hurt for a good long time.
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What do you mean by "throwing the book"? Because punishing the player does nothing to affect the problem. And any system with punishments for schools that would actually be a deterrent would never be allowed to go into effect. The days of the TV bans and season cancellations for the big name programs are long since past. There's too much money at stake. Oklahoma football will never have a season cancelled, no matter how red handed they get caught. The Big 12, Fox Sports, Dr. Pepper, Phillips 66 and all of the other corporate sponsors will never let that happen. It would affect too many bottom lines. The idea of deterring bad acts via punishment is a pipe dream.
Pandora's box is already open.
Multiple scholarships lost (as many as 10 for FB, 3 for BB) for multiple years - with scholarship costs forfeit as fine(going to charity ultimately)
Multi year post season bans (that you actually stick to)
Punishing players by losing eligibility and scholarships and removal from record books where applicableR
Requiring heightened probationary monitoring (financed by the school but selected by others) for even longer stretches of time after serious infraction(s)
The missing point that is still a problem is that the addition of above the board money for players will not push the under the table money out of the equation. If all D-1 athletes can get $10,000 per year from their school there will still be the bag man with another $50,000 waiting outside the lockerroom. Nothing is solved.
Multi year post season bans (that you actually stick to)
Punishing players by losing eligibility and scholarships and removal from record books where applicableR
Requiring heightened probationary monitoring (financed by the school but selected by others) for even longer stretches of time after serious infraction(s)
The missing point that is still a problem is that the addition of above the board money for players will not push the under the table money out of the equation. If all D-1 athletes can get $10,000 per year from their school there will still be the bag man with another $50,000 waiting outside the lockerroom. Nothing is solved.
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I really don't think you're going to see any schools agreeing to punishments with teeth. They just won't do it voluntarily. It would take a threat to their non profit status, and how likely is that to happen? Not very. And even then, you're only going to be catching the ones that do it sloppy.
It allows guys who don't partake in below the board stuff to have enough money to go out every once in a while, get some decent clothes, stuff like that. A nominal stipend would be a huge improvement for how student athletes are treated given the demands on their time and restrictions on their legitimate sources of income.
I am wondering if the conferences will step in here. Or at least I kind of hope they do. So maybe there is a stipend cap or something like that, so Texas can't pay their athletes more than we can and what have you. I doubt it will happen, but it would be nice to limit some of the powers that be.
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this. I don't think the below the board stuff can be stopped entirely, especially because players see the system as unfair because they're not allowed to profit, while the schools rake it in. Taking money on the side is easier to justify if you think you're just getting your fair share from a corrupt system. But, making the alternative to being on the take a little easier by acknowledging the value a player adds to the process (in the form of payment) might in turn make it easier to say no to that money. Some still will take it, for sure. But, it removes the easy justification since the players would now be fiscally compensated.
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depends on how the court decisions play out. One of the big points is the artificial capping of the value of a scholarship. If it's found to be collusion, as the plaintiffs are claiming, then the conferences might have trouble stepping in and artificially limiting the amount that schools can pay as a stipend.
I had this same thought initially about the conferences governing the entire conference, but they are inevitably going to be watching other conferences to make sure they have the same ceilings. SEC gives students $11,000, Big 12 better match it.
I cringe that this is coming into play. Once a stipend becomes the norm, there is nothing that says the current imperfections won't return. It's human nature to continue to want more, regardless of the prior situation.
ISU comes out ahead if stipends are implemented as long as they are nominal amounts. We don't compete with Texas for recruits. We compete with schools like Rice, Houston, UCF, etc... for recruits. And if we are giving stipends while non power five schools aren't that'll be a huge boost to our ability to recruit kids from Florida and Texas who don't get offers from the P5 schools in their areas.
