The CIC and UNL/Mizz

[weR138]

I wasn't sure where to put this thread so I put it in here because imo this is the only reason the BOR/state legislators/governor should get involved in the realignment stuff.

I saw someone suggest in another thread that Nebraska's academics would greatly improve with inclusion to the Big Ten because it would also mean inclusion to the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC) which would presumably result in lots of research money not to mention partnership with research heavy hitters like Michigan and tOSU. Now, if (I know this is a big if) Missouri also were to get an invitation to the Big Ten you could draw a circle from Lincoln to Columbia to Iowa City to Minneapolis with Ames sort of in the middle.

Here's my question; would this jeopardize the future of ISU to have these CIC Universities encircling us? Would programs and research areas that are attractive to students and faculty be supplanted by ones in Lincoln and Columbia because the get a big CIC boost?

Thoughts?

 

[BryceC]

IMO, this would likely have a large negative impact on the quality of the university, yes.

 

[Wesley]

Big hit on the faculty. Big hit.

 

[weR138]

Big hit on the faculty. Big hit.

I read here (so it could be BS) that ND's faculty senate voted to enter the B10 in 1999. If UNL and MIZZ become CIC schools I see bad things on the horizon for Iowa State University.

I also think the CIC is something that if offered, UNL could not turn down. This is much bigger than football.

 

[chuckd4735]

Yes, all this expansion talk has a much greater impact than just sports, which is all the media has been focusing on.

 

[jsmith86]

Looks like it is time for congress to pull out the antitrust banhammer.:biggrin:

 

[joefrog]

What stinks is ISU is a Tier 1 research institution already. Nebraska is not. Once again, ISU takes a kick to the junk.

 

[weR138]

What stinks is ISU is a Tier 1 research institution already. Nebraska is not. Once again, ISU takes a kick to the junk.

They will be soon if they go to the B10. This is bad Cyclone fans.

 

[cyatheart]

They will be soon if they go to the B10. This is bad Cyclone fans.

This is what I am more concerned about that anything. That ISU loses research dollars and funding becuase of this. And it makes me sick to see people in the state of Iowa openly rooting for this to happen. My question is: If ISU gets dumped into CUSA or the MAC do they actually lose reasearch dollars or does this put us at a disadvantge to UNL, Mizzou, Iowa academically? I have seen a lot of speculation that it does, but I have no proof.

If ISU does lose research dollars, why hasn't ISU started a public relations campaing to address this. I am very worried this will have a dramatic impact on the university.

 

[jsmith86]

This is what I am more concerned about that anything. That ISU loses research dollars and funding becuase of this. And it makes me sick to see people in the state of Iowa openly rooting for this to happen. My question is: If ISU gets dumped into CUSA or the MAC do they actually lose reasearch dollars or does this put us at a disadvantge to UNL, Mizzou, Iowa academically? I have seen a lot of speculation that it does, but I have no proof.

If ISU does lose research dollars, why hasn't ISU started a public relations campaing to address this. I am very worried this will have a dramatic impact on the university.

We won't lose dollars right away, because the money coming in is defined in already written contracts. What we will lose however, is the ability to compete as a member of a consortium, which is essentially what being a member of the CIC would bring to NU and mizzou. This in turn means less ability to compete for the bigger, overreaching type of grants that bring in huge amounts of money that require the cooperation of multiple universities. This in turn means we don't bring in the talented grad students and in turn the talented faculty (although that is more of a chicken and egg thing). In the end it is all one vicious cycle that costs ISU research dollars.

 

[chuckd4735]

They will be soon if they go to the B10. This is bad Cyclone fans.

See everyone is approaching this whole thing on the athletics argument. Obviously its a factor, but it is in no way the only factor that the Big 10 presidents will be voting on. I know I am in the minority here, but I see the Big 10 going after a healthy combination of schools with prestige in athletics and academics, and I still believe that if the Big 10 goes to 16, that ISU has a chance to be one of the 16.

 

[weR138]

We won't lose dollars right away, because the money coming in is defined in already written contracts. What we will lose however, is the ability to compete as a member of a consortium, which is essentially what being a member of the CIC would bring to NU and mizzou. This in turn means less ability to compete for the bigger, overreaching type of grants that bring in huge amounts of money that require the cooperation of multiple universities. This in turn means we don't bring in the talented grad students and in turn the talented faculty (although that is more of a chicken and egg thing). In the end it is all one vicious cycle that costs ISU research dollars.

We will lose prestige and students eventually too. What happens when UNL passes us in agronomy and Mizz passes us in engineering?

 

[LutherClone]

Serious though now. Why couldn't ISU petition to become an affiliate member of the CIC like the University of Chicago is? It does nothing for our athletics, but certainly saves academics. Also, I'm pretty sure MWC, C-USA, and the outside shot at Big East don't care about academics like we do.

 

[cyatheart]

We won't lose dollars right away, because the money coming in is defined in already written contracts. What we will lose however, is the ability to compete as a member of a consortium, which is essentially what being a member of the CIC would bring to NU and mizzou. This in turn means less ability to compete for the bigger, overreaching type of grants that bring in huge amounts of money that require the cooperation of multiple universities. This in turn means we don't bring in the talented grad students and in turn the talented faculty (although that is more of a chicken and egg thing). In the end it is all one vicious cycle that costs ISU research dollars.

Why in the hell are more people not freaking out about this then at the university? I don't see anything coming out of ISU. I think if people in the state realized this there would be more of an uproar. But outside of the ISU athletic fans, no one seems to care abou this. Where are the regents? Where are ISU professors? How can people sit around and be ok with ISU being slowly destroyed?

 

[chuckd4735]

Why in the hell are more people not freaking out about this then at the university? I don't see anything coming out of ISU. I think if people in the state realized this there would be more of an uproar. But outside of the ISU athletic fans, no one seems to care abou this. Where are the regents? Where are ISU professors? How can people sit around and be ok with ISU being slowly destroyed?

Again, they are, you and most others just don't realize it.

 

[weR138]

Serious though now. Why couldn't ISU petition to become an affiliate member of the CIC like the University of Chicago is? It does nothing for our athletics, but certainly saves academics. Also, I'm pretty sure MWC, C-USA, and the outside shot at Big East don't care about academics like we do.

I was thinking the same thing and maybe we can but Chicago is little different; they were founding B10 and CIC members and dropped athletics.

If we can try to get into the CIC we certainly should.

 

[KingClone]

Looks like it is time for congress to pull out the antitrust banhammer.:biggrin:

The only way political pressure will have any sway, is if the senior minority member of the Senate Finance committee gives Delaney a call and says,:

"Your actions in expansion will be very revealing as to whether or not Big 10 athletic departments can maintain their non-profit status.

If proximity, academic integrity and research prowess are truly your motives, Iowa State University will be invited. If it is a pure profit play, Iowa State will not be invited.

Once your motives are revealed, we will look at how to handle the collection of taxes and loss of deduct-ability for Big 10 athletic department contributions."

 

[ItsCyence]

Yeah this school ended WWII why are we going to be punished?

 

[Tobias]

Iowa does not have much if any pull in the big ten but it would be in the best interest for the state as a whole if they tried to help ISU get in as a CIC member. ISU is a better fit in that way than the hucksters. I don't know what will happen but as an Iowa alum I would pull for it and join in on a campaign for it.

 

[chuckd4735]

Iowa does not have much if any pull in the big ten but it would be in the best interest for the state as a whole if they tried to help ISU get in as a CIC member. ISU is a better fit in that way than the hucksters. I don't know what will happen but as an Iowa alum I would pull for it and join in on a campaign for it.

However, ISU has ties to the Ohio State AD, the former Purdue President, the current Penn State President, the Wisconsin AD, and many other current Big 10 universities. I'm not saying ISU is going to the Big 10, but it not as much of a long shot as some here and in the media have made it out to be. ISU fits the mold of the Big 10 in just about every single category. The only downside to ISU is it does not bring in any new TV sets for the Big 10 Network. While that is going to be a factor in the Big 10 expansion talk, I doubt it will be the only factor when the Big 10 Presidents vote.