The Jerry Kill Comparison

Senolcyc

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Really wish people would stop comparing anything Iowa State related to anything Big 10 related. Did you not watch the ISU-iowa game? Comparable talent across the board. ISU is dead last in the Big 12 and iowa is probably going to win 8 or 9 games. Do you not get it?
 

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We have played just awful against
1. NDSU
2. Baylor
3. Oklahoma State
4. Oklahoma
5. Kansas

Also, we weren't exactly flawless against the rest. As bad as the defense played against Texas and Toledo, that would probably lose us games to a lot of bad teams.

Am I missing something here? That doesn't seem to be basing things on 1 game to me.

You seem to be basing a lot of things on the Kansas game. We sucked. At one point Kansas had 19 first downs and we had 1 first down. It ended up with Kansas 29 first downs and we had 22. KU was up on us 24-0. Our comeback was thwarted by a missed FG and and an interception when we made it into the Red Zone. We got beat 34-14. Get over it.

As far as Minnesota, getting beat by a terrible Illinois team and squeaking out a 1 point win over Purdue shows how bad they really are. Pasting an Iowa team that was beaten by an Iowa State team at home that you describe as one of the worst in the country does not mean Minnesota is a good team.
 

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Really wish people would stop comparing anything Iowa State related to anything Big 10 related. Did you not watch the ISU-iowa game? Comparable talent across the board. ISU is dead last in the Big 12 and iowa is probably going to win 8 or 9 games. Do you not get it?

Iowa has 6 wins at this point. Are you trying to tell me that they could possibly sweep Illinois, Wisconsin and Nebraska??? Or take at least 2 out of 3?????

Give me some of what you are smoking. That is some good stuff.
 

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Minnesota Killed Iowa. ISU captured 2 single digit victories. Regardless of Minnesota's schedule they'll go 8-4ish. ISU would be fortunate to win 6 games with their schedule.

Minnesota will not win another B1G game this year. They play Ohio State at home. And Nebraska and Wisconsin on the road.

WHICH game do you think they will win to get to 8 wins like you claim they will do?
 

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the B1G is hot garbage, nobody is arguing that. But it's still pretty simple: Kill is beating who he should beat (non conf scrubs and garbage B1G teams). Rhoads is not (lost to NDSU this year, and Kansas, and Texas is garbage his year too).

Beat who you should beat, and take your losses against teams that are better (exactly what kill is doing). It is reflected in his 1-9 vs ranked teams record. I'd take the wins over team I should beat rather than a ranked win every blue moon (which has gotten us nowhere by the way).
 

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Minnesota will not win another B1G game this year. They play Ohio State at home. And Nebraska and Wisconsin on the road.

WHICH game do you think they will win to get to 8 wins like you claim they will do?


Not directed at me, but the Wisc game is analogous to ISU/Iowa. Big rivarly game for Bunyan's Axe, anything can happen. Wisc is way down this year compared to year's past. So it might be a game.
 

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the B1G is hot garbage, nobody is arguing that. But it's still pretty simple: Kill is beating who he should beat (non conf scrubs and garbage B1G teams). Rhoads is not (lost to NDSU this year, and Kansas, and Texas is garbage his year too).

Beat who you should beat, and take your losses against teams that are better (exactly what kill is doing). It is reflected in his 1-9 vs ranked teams record. I'd take the wins over team I should beat rather than a ranked win every blue moon (which has gotten us nowhere by the way).

This is it in a nutshell. Posters here blast way at the crappy Big 10 Hawk and Gopher schedule but we haven't beaten the teams were are supposed. NDSU shoved footballs up our *** after the first quarter and Kansas, granted we had lots of injuries, sorta did the same. We are just losing to the big boys in our league.

Last chance for glory comes against Tech. Lets see if we can beat another second tier team and get into that rarefied air of 3-9.
 

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Illinois is terrible. Wisconsin and Nebraska are above average. Could easily see Iowa winning two. That's eight. Bowl game? Who knows. That's nine. ****, ordinary Iowa teams win eight or nine games all the time. It's their ******* history.
 

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Guys... seriously? Is this what it has come to? Arguing about which garbage teams in the Big Ten West will beat the other garbage teams in the Big Ten West?

What no one wants to debate the path for Toledo to win the MAC West despite losing to Northern Illinois?
 

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Not directed at me, but the Wisc game is analogous to ISU/Iowa. Big rivarly game for Bunyan's Axe, anything can happen. Wisc is way down this year compared to year's past. So it might be a game.

Wisconsin is #22 in the nation. Kill can not beat Top 25 teams and the game is at Wisconsin where the Badgers have not been beaten this year. Minnesota will not win another game this year........I will bet on that.
 

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This is it in a nutshell. Posters here blast way at the crappy Big 10 Hawk and Gopher schedule but we haven't beaten the teams were are supposed. NDSU shoved footballs up our *** after the first quarter and Kansas, granted we had lots of injuries, sorta did the same. We are just losing to the big boys in our league.

Last chance for glory comes against Tech. Lets see if we can beat another second tier team and get into that rarefied air of 3-9.

We can blast away on it because one of those teams lost to this **** show...
 

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Guys... seriously? Is this what it has come to? Arguing about which garbage teams in the Big Ten West will beat the other garbage teams in the Big Ten West?

What no one wants to debate the path for Toledo to win the MAC West despite losing to Northern Illinois?


I'm just honestly surprised at the lack of respect for Kill and the program he runs. I would think ISU fans would give anything right now for a staff of his competence instead of puh-puh ing Kill's "success" (yes, success is relative)
 

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Wisconsin is #22 in the nation. Kill can not beat Top 25 teams and the game is at Wisconsin where the Badgers have not been beaten this year. Minnesota will not win another game this year........I will bet on that.

Duly noted, I'll be the first to call you out if they do win one (including a bowl game)
 

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Illinois is terrible. Wisconsin and Nebraska are above average. Could easily see Iowa winning two. That's eight. Bowl game? Who knows. That's nine. ****, ordinary Iowa teams win eight or nine games all the time. It's their ******* history.

Illinois beat the vaunted Gophers, who just got done pasting Iowa a new one. The game is at Illinois. Not sure what you are smoking thinking that Iowa will beat either Wisconsin or Nebraska.
 

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I'm just honestly surprised at the lack of respect for Kill and the program he runs. I would think ISU fans would give anything right now for a staff of his competence instead of puh-puh ing Kill's "success" (yes, success is relative)

He's taken Minnesota to places…ISU has been before. Getting pounded by ranked teams, losing to a bad team, beating bad teams. Oh man that's so awesome!!!

Of course they are on a better track right now, but to suggest Kill is some miracle worker for doing what has been done at ISU already is silly. We have a problem maintaining it, but we've had plenty of seasons with comparable success relative to schedule.

The other poster nailed it that it's meaningless to compare us to teams in the 8 game B1G. Compare us to Pac 12, SEC and other Big 12 schools, they're the only ones who mostly play schedules on a similar level.
 

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Illinois beat the vaunted Gophers, who just got done pasting Iowa a new one. The game is at Illinois. Not sure what you are smoking thinking that Iowa will beat either Wisconsin or Nebraska.

Hopefully they lose them all 97-0. But I'm familiar with their act.
 

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I'm just honestly surprised at the lack of respect for Kill and the program he runs. I would think ISU fans would give anything right now for a staff of his competence instead of puh-puh ing Kill's "success" (yes, success is relative)

I have seen ISU at the level of 6-7 wins and mid tier bowl games... under THIS current staff. At least this staff can beat a ranked team on the road.

I think a change needs to be made but sorry that watching a guy win 6-7 games in a mediocre conference (and 4 non conference games....) doesn't get me all tingly.
 

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I have seen ISU at the level of 6-7 wins and mid tier bowl games... under THIS current staff. At least this staff can beat a ranked team on the road.

I think a change needs to be made but sorry that watching a guy win 6-7 games in a mediocre conference (and 4 non conference games....) doesn't get me all tingly.

To be fair, I think CPR rode the coattails of Chiz recruits to those 6-7 win seasons. Kill built up from 2-3 wins, whereas Rhoads is going the wrong direction. CPR didnt build nothin'
 

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I have seen ISU at the level of 6-7 wins and mid tier bowl games... under THIS current staff. At least this staff can beat a ranked team on the road.

I think a change needs to be made but sorry that watching a guy win 6-7 games in a mediocre conference (and 4 non conference games....) doesn't get me all tingly.

Jerry Kill shouldn't get you all tingly but he has built programs at all of his stops. Rhoads has a tougher road to pave no doubt, but Kill's plan is working and Rhoads is in a state of concern. JUCO recruits that would've been helpful band aids for the trenches are headed to winning programs. Recrutis we needed, because the 4 years guys have been average.

No reason to argue schedules at all, look at past records, going forward, they have a better roster and more momentum.
 

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To be fair, I think CPR rode the coattails of Chiz recruits to those 6-7 win seasons. Kill built up from 2-3 wins, whereas Rhoads is going the wrong direction. CPR didnt build nothin'

I think this is spot on. The 'base talent' was built by Chiz, and Rhoads sprinkled in some of his guys that he did get to put them at a competitive level, and the base talent has not been sustained by Rhoads.