To be fair Minnesota was 1 season removed from back to back bowl games when Kill got there... and Kill road the coat tails of Brewster's recruits to get to 2 of his bowls by your logic.
The Jerry Kill Comparison
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To be fair Minnesota was 1 season removed from back to back bowl games when Kill got there... and Kill road the coat tails of Brewster's recruits to get to 2 of his bowls by your logic.
Show me a B12, P12 or SEC coach who is consistently winning 6-9 games at a non-traditional power and I'll be impressed like some people are here with Minnesota right now. I'm seeing absolutely zero from them that I haven't already seen from some of ISU teams over the past 10-15 years, we haven't been able to maintain it but like you said even our current coaches have hit that success.
Who was this "base talent" built by Chizik? Jared Barnett? Marquis Hamilton?
Good for him, but the original post compared Rhoads and Kill and how can you even debate the 2 if you don't point out that stark differences in schedules; sure would be nice if ISU could avoid TCU and Baylor and play Eastern Illinois.
The only thing Kill is doing better than Rhoads right now is beating the teams they are favored to beat (most of the time). If Rhoads can shore that up (not sure if he can), I'd take Rhoads over Kill.
How many times has Rhoads lost to a team we were favored to beat? Similarly, how many times have we even been favored to win?
Yes that is true. No argument form me. Both are 6 years in, where do the programs stand after the dust has settled from previous coaches? Kill's looks ok with his guys/system. Does CPRs?
Kill is in year 4 and is going to his 3rd Bowl in 4 years... same track record as Rhoads in year 4.
I don't think Kill is a bad coach, I also don't think hes a world beater either. I also think its time for a change at ISU because when you can't sell hope any longer you need to make a change.
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Guess my point was the previous regime for both coaches have been purged, so it's current:current comparison
I don't have exact numbers but during Rhoads first 4 years, we were taking care of business against teams we were favored against. But over the last 2 years, we've lost several games where we were favored:
Tulsa - 2012 bowl game
UNI - 2013
NDSU - 2014
KU - 2014
For Iowa State to be successful, we MUST beat these teams consistently. Otherwise we've seen what can happen if we don't.
I agree, programs like Minn/ISU ebb and flow. Minn. is actually winning games it should, ISU has had a tough couple seasons. I get that. When things go sideways, you hang your hat on how the team looks and the philosophies of the coaches.
I like Kill's philosophy/identity (pound the run, no penalties, play-action pass as needed, stout defense), and even if they were losing I would still be on board.
I just flat out have no idea what philosophy ISU/CPR is aiming for. If we could have some clarity on that, I'm 100% on board, regardless of record.
I like Kill's philosophy/identity (pound the run, no penalties, play-action pass as needed, stout defense), and even if they were losing I would still be on board.
I just flat out have no idea what philosophy ISU/CPR is aiming for. If we could have some clarity on that, I'm 100% on board, regardless of record.
Jared Barnett was inked by Rhoads.....
Some of chiz's guys - Colin Franklin, Kelechi Osemele, Leonard Johnson, Jake McDonough, Te'Ron Benton, Carter Bykowski, Jeremy Reeves, A.J. Klein, Josh Lenz, Deon Broomfield, Kyle Lichtenburg......
Jake Knott is Rhoads' crown jewel.....lets make sure we give CPR credit for that.
A couple things:
That site has separate ranking for Strength of Season so far, and projected for the whole season. There are massive disparities between the two, which is very suspicious. Also, the whole site looks like one big advertisement for you to enter their contests (for a fee).
Secondly, I don't see how they can project Iowa State to end up with a lower rating (ie, "weaker") SOS than Minnesota, considering the clones have yet to play West Virginia and TCU, a team projected by many to be in the final 4 playoffs? How can they be "falling?"
It just doesn't pass the smell test. So, I will just ask you outright, Mr. HawkedUp, -- do you REALLY think that Minnesota has a more difficult Strength of Schedule than ISU?
Well Mn. already played TCU. They have Ohio State ( 8-1 ), Neb.(8-1) and Wisc.( 7-2) left. ISU has TT ( 3-6), WV ( 6-4), and TCU which has played Mn. already. 7 Big 10 teams are 6-3 overall or better, Big 12 has 4 that are 6-3 or better. The Big 10 bottom 2 schools IU #80 , Purdue #87 // Big 12 Bottom 2 schools KU #97 , ISU #103...
So YES, not by much maybe but yes, to your question. The reason ISU is falling is the next 2 opponents. MN is rising due to their final opponents.
I get what you are trying to say, but I think we have 6 wins already with Minnesota's schedule. They lost to Illinois. That should pretty much tell that story.
Illinois is 25 places higher then ISU in the polls. I really dont see any change for ISU if they were in the Big 10, they did lose to an FCS school 2 yrs. in a row.
Iowa State - Where someone else's success is somehow worse than our suckiness! We'll find a way to diminish it!
I really hope you don't believe that? We're not even close to being a decent team. As much as I like CPR personally, we need to go in a new direction. Our leadership and recruting have been poor at best.
I know the B1G isn't a murderer's row, but neither is the bottom half of the Big XII. Since it became a 10 team league with a round robin schedule, our average win total in the league has been hovering around two. Our average finish among the bottom five has been hovering around fourth. This program wouldn't be a consistent winner in any p5 conference right now.
