*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[hawkeyeh8r]

So can someone tell me if we are completely out of the woods yet? Are there any scenarios left out there that leave us out of an AQ conference?

if OU/UT cant work **** out but i dont see that being a problem

 

[Incyte]

Do you truly believe the Big 12 will ever be truly stabilized?

I heard a lot of the same last summer after the new TV deal, then look what happened a year later. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....

I have to believe the TAMU administration learned their lesson. They clearly stated yesterday that they have no intentions of being in the Big 12 next season and I clearly believe they'll be SEC bound in 2012.

Quite clearly, this conference is NOT viable in the long term. Hell, Oklahoma is talking about getting a deal done that will stabilize the conference for FIVE years. Five. That's their major aspirations for the conference - stabilize it for five years. Not 20, not 30, FIVE.

As long as UT is in this conference, there won't be any stabilizing. OU wants to stabilize the conference, but the problem is, they've now lost all of their leverage to do that. They can't play the "We're going to the PAC" card anymore. In other words, I don't see UT making ANY concessions because they no longer have to - UT can dictate terms as long as OU can't threaten to leave.

Get lost hawk. Scoreboard.

 

[cycloneworld]

I may be in the minority but after going through this last few weeks, I really don't want the Big 12 to take 3 Big East teams and kill it off. I know we need to look out for ourselves but there were some doomsday scenarios for ISU if the Big 12 fell apart...I wouldn't want to cause that for some of the Big East schools.

 

[cycloneworld]

if OU/UT cant work **** out but i dont see that being a problem

Even if they can't, ISU will still be in an AQ league.

 

[Clonefan32]

Some day, when this is all said and done we need to give this thread a proper send-off. A funeral of sorts before it falls off the front page. Chris Williams would give a moving eulogy, I'm sure.

 

[Clone83]

Do you truly believe the Big 12 will ever be truly stabilized?

I heard a lot of the same last summer after the new TV deal, then look what happened a year later. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....

I have to believe the TAMU administration learned their lesson. They clearly stated yesterday that they have no intentions of being in the Big 12 next season and I clearly believe they'll be SEC bound in 2012.

Quite clearly, this conference is NOT viable in the long term. Hell, Oklahoma is talking about getting a deal done that will stabilize the conference for FIVE years. Five. That's their major aspirations for the conference - stabilize it for five years. Not 20, not 30, FIVE.

As long as UT is in this conference, there won't be any stabilizing. OU wants to stabilize the conference, but the problem is, they've now lost all of their leverage to do that. They can't play the "We're going to the PAC" card anymore. In other words, I don't see UT making ANY concessions because they no longer have to - UT can dictate terms as long as OU can't threaten to leave.

Take it elsewhere squateye. A year ago you were throwing out all these scenarios where it was inevitable ISU would end up MWC or MAC.

 

[jsmith86]

They're gone.

And the remaining 9 (or at least those who weren't stupid enough to give up legal rights) need to sue A&M for as much as they can get.

 

[hawkeyeh8r]

Get lost hawk. huge Scoreboard.

FIFY

 

[Freebird]

The biggest thing I take from this whole thing is that Chip Brown is full of ****.

 

[CycloneErik]

Some day, when this is all said and done we need to give this thread a proper send-off. A funeral of sorts before it falls off the front page. Chris Williams would give a moving eulogy, I'm sure.

If he doesn't, I'll do it. I like that sort of thing.

 

[Clonefan32]

Do you truly believe the Big 12 will ever be truly stabilized?

I heard a lot of the same last summer after the new TV deal, then look what happened a year later. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....

I have to believe the TAMU administration learned their lesson. They clearly stated yesterday that they have no intentions of being in the Big 12 next season and I clearly believe they'll be SEC bound in 2012.

Quite clearly, this conference is NOT viable in the long term. Hell, Oklahoma is talking about getting a deal done that will stabilize the conference for FIVE years. Five. That's their major aspirations for the conference - stabilize it for five years. Not 20, not 30, FIVE.

As long as UT is in this conference, there won't be any stabilizing. OU wants to stabilize the conference, but the problem is, they've now lost all of their leverage to do that. They can't play the "We're going to the PAC" card anymore. In other words, I don't see UT making ANY concessions because they no longer have to - UT can dictate terms as long as OU can't threaten to leave.

So OSU and TT played all their cards to the Pac and they got denied. OU will apparently have troubles moving without OSU. So all we stand to lose is Texas moving somewhere (somewhere they will lose significant amounts of money). I think we remain stable at this point, especially if we add a few more schools.

 

[hawkfan]

Scoreboard.

Definition of RELEVANCE

a : relation to the matter at hand
b : practical and especially social applicability

Also, I forgot to mention. The other thing that really hurts the Big 12 is the fact that the ACC & (presumably) SEC are going to be 14 school leagues. It may not be tomorrow, it may not be five years from now, but eventually the Big Ten & PAC will follow suit and it will likely be at the expense of either the Big East or the Big 12.....leading to further instability.

No Big 12 conference member will be able to sleep well at night or trust the other members after the last two years. That is a big deal that is often overlooked.

 

[hawkeyeh8r]

Even if they can't, ISU will still be in an AQ league.

unless the BE is picked apart and there arent enough teams left to make a decent conference. if i were the NCAA i wouldnt give AQ status to the big least conference

 

[MNCyGuy]

I may be in the minority but after going through this last few weeks, I really don't want the Big 12 to take 3 Big East teams and kill it off. I know we need to look out for ourselves but there were some doomsday scenarios for ISU if the Big 12 fell apart...I wouldn't want to cause that for some of the Big East schools.

I get the sentiment, but that league is the walking dead right now anyway. I find it hard to believe that the SEC won't change their mind and come calling for WVU now. That leaves UConn, Rutgers, South Florida, Cincinnatti, Louisville, and TCU (So all of ONE original football member). Who do they add? Temple? ECU? UCF? How comfortable are you in that league? I almost think we'd be doing them a favor to take three and put that league out of it's misery.

 

[Clonefan32]

Definition of RELEVANCE

a : relation to the matter at hand
b : practical and especially social applicability

Also, I forgot to mention. The other thing that really hurts the Big 12 is the fact that the ACC & (presumably) SEC are going to be 14 school leagues. It may not be tomorrow, it may not be five years from now, but eventually the Big Ten & PAC will follow suit and it will likely be at the expense of either the Big East or the Big 12.....leading to further instability.

No Big 12 conference member will be able to sleep well at night or trust the other members after the last two years. That is a big deal that is often overlooked.

Again, where is anyone going to go?

 

[hawkfan]

Take it elsewhere squateye. A year ago you were throwing out all these scenarios where it was inevitable ISU would end up MWC or MAC.

LOL. I've been very consistent in saying that I think ISU will end up in an AQ league.

I've never once stated that ISU would end up in the MAC. I have most consistently said that ISU would end up in a BCS "leftovers" league - a combination of the Big 12, Big East, and the best of the rest non AQs.

 

[cycloneworld]

The biggest thing I take from this whole thing is that Chip Brown is full of ****.

I think we all know that he is/was a mouthpiece for Texas. DeLoss used him as a Texas PR machine.

 

[Incyte]

Definition of RELEVANCE

a : relation to the matter at hand
b : practical and especially social applicability

Also, I forgot to mention. The other thing that really hurts the Big 12 is the fact that the ACC & (presumably) SEC are going to be 14 school leagues. It may not be tomorrow, it may not be five years from now, but eventually the Big Ten & PAC will follow suit and it will likely be at the expense of either the Big East or the Big 12.....leading to further instability.

No Big 12 conference member will be able to sleep well at night or trust the other members after the last two years. That is a big deal that is often overlooked.

Scoreboard. We kicked your ***. That is all.

 

[Clone83]

LOL. I've been very consistent in saying that I think ISU will end up in an AQ league.

I've never once stated that ISU would end up in the MAC. I have most consistently said that ISU would end up in a BCS "leftovers" league - a combination of the Big 12, Big East, and the best of the rest non AQs.

BS.

 

[Clonefan32]

LOL. I've been very consistent in saying that I think ISU will end up in an AQ league.

I've never once stated that ISU would end up in the MAC. I have most consistently said that ISU would end up in a BCS "leftovers" league - a combination of the Big 12, Big East, and the best of the rest non AQs.

And how is that prediction looking now?