*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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Right. Mizzou isn't a key to the Big 12 right now. Would hate to lose them, but there are several Big East programs that can bring what Mizzou is bringing, or VERY close to it right now.

Now, if Texas and OU want to use it as an excuse to keep threatening to leave, then who knows. But that's up to them.
 

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I still can't believe how many of you believe that Mizzou is leaving. All this Mizzou posturing seems to fit exactly with the plan Rebecacy laid out a while ago. So far, he has been pretty much on the money while all these blogs and columns and tweets have been all over the place. With OU to the Pac dead, somebody else needs to be out there threatening conference stability to help drive negotiations with UT. That party is now Mizzou.
 

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The other thing is, why would Pinkel advocate an SEC move?

If Mizzou joins the SEC, they will plummet even more than A&M. Pinkel will be job hunting in a couple years in the SEC.
 

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Hypothetically, let's say Missouri does decide to make their football program an obsolete stepping stone in the SEC.

With the Big East crumbling there are still really good options to get to 12.

I agree. A big question is whether OU and UT think it is worth staying around without MU.
 

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Mizzou to SEC is such a bad idea for them one wonders if it really is just a leverage play.

I don't doubt they wouldn't mind being out of the Big 12, but the only home for them that really matters is the Big 10. I suppose this noise out of Columbia could just be an effort to see if they can make Delaney move off his spot before a media rights sign-over occurs.

But I am more likely to believe they are just keeping the pressure on discussions for Big 12 survival.
 

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The other thing is, why would Pinkel advocate an SEC move?

If Mizzou joins the SEC, they will plummet even more than A&M. Pinkel will be job hunting in a couple years in the SEC.

Maybe he thinks the Big XII is going to explode at some point and wants to get his spot with a super conference right now. No matter who the Big XII adds, I don't think this conference will ever be 100% stable. You can't say the same about the SEC.
 

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If OU and Texas are fine with MU leaving, then see ya. If we added WVU, Louisville, Cincy & BYU, we would still have a good conference and we could watch MU get crushed in the SEC. Watch them and Aggie have their yearly battles for irrelevence alongside UK & Vandy.
 

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I agree. A big question is whether OU and UT think it is worth staying around without MU.

The current leftovers in the BE are not that attractive, especially from an academic standpoint which is why UT and OU will again explore all of their options again if Mizzou bolts to the SEC. The rest of the B12 will do likewise including ISU. Mizzou's departure would put all future B12 TV deals in jeopardy with future payouts likely reduced significantly.
 

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I still can't believe how many of you believe that Mizzou is leaving. All this Mizzou posturing seems to fit exactly with the plan Rebecacy laid out a while ago. So far, he has been pretty much on the money while all these blogs and columns and tweets have been all over the place. With OU to the Pac dead, somebody else needs to be out there threatening conference stability to help drive negotiations with UT. That party is now Mizzou.

This worked for OU but where is Rebecacy saying, "Trust Alden. Put your faith in a made up group of people who think they are important in these "Curators." Where is he on this one. He was right about OU cause I believe he knew all along they were with us but I haven't seen once where he has said the same about Missouri for sure. I hope someone on here can point out where he said it cause I have never notice it.

On a side note, however, losing Missourah and watching them kill what they have started with their football program will be wonderful in about 10 years. I can't wait for their fans tears and half empty stadiums once they are on par with Vanderbilt in 5 years.
 

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I still can't believe how many of you believe that Mizzou is leaving. All this Mizzou posturing seems to fit exactly with the plan Rebecacy laid out a while ago. So far, he has been pretty much on the money while all these blogs and columns and tweets have been all over the place. With OU to the Pac dead, somebody else needs to be out there threatening conference stability to help drive negotiations with UT. That party is now Mizzou.

I really didn't think TAMU would pull the trigger to the SEC. Reports suggest that the AD and many coaches didn't want the SEC (given Bowtie's recent statements, Turgeon's departure makes much more sense), and there is a TAMU fanbase that didn't want the SEC. Yet, TAMU is going to the SEC, apparently driven by the other side of the fanbase and some key boosters.

I don't know if MU is leaving or not. I do know that they have a vocal fan base that wants out of the Big 12. The question is whether that fanbase is a majority, and whether key boosters support such a move.

Was the plan Rebecacy speaks of in place when MU's governor was pushing for MU to the Big Ten back in 2010? If he was part of the plan, then fine. If not, then I wouldn't be so confident that MU is just posturing. That same governor is still appointing people to the board of curators. It would be logical to assume he is appointing people with beliefs similar to his.
 

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I really didn't think TAMU would pull the trigger to the SEC. Reports suggest that the AD and many coaches didn't want the SEC (Given Bowtie's recent statements, Turgeon's departure makes much more sense), and there is a TAMU fanbase that didn't want the SEC. Yet, TAMU is going to the SEC, apparently driven by the other side of the fanbase and some key boosters.

I don't know if MU is leaving or not. I do know that they have a vocal fan base that wants out of the Big 12. The question is whether that fanbase is a majority, and whether key boosters support such a move.

Was the plan Rebecacy speaks of in place when MU's governor was pushing for MU to the Big Ten back in 2010? If he was part of the plan, then fine. If not, then I wouldn't be so confident that MU is just posturing. That same governor is still appointing people to the board of curators. It would be logical to assume he is appointing people with beliefs similar to his.

MU to the Big Ten makes perfect sense, MU to the SEC does not.

Missouri would be a top program in football (notice I said "a top", not "the top", Hawk fans) and basketball in the Big Ten and they would get a significant monetary windfall as well as a big time academic boost due to the CIC.

MU's football program will die on the vine in the SEC, their basketball program will be OK, and they will be taking a significant step down in regards to academics.
 

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The current leftovers in the BE are not that attractive, especially from an academic standpoint which is why UT and OU will again explore all of their options again if Mizzou bolts to the SEC. The rest of the B12 will do likewise including ISU. Mizzou's departure would put all future B12 TV deals in jeopardy with future payouts likely reduced significantly.

They just got done "exploring" their options a couple weeks ago and have explored twice in the past 15 months. Both times they realized their best options are in the Big 12. How much more exploring can they do?

Mizzou can be replaced, OU and Texas can't. If they would add BYU, L'ville, WVU and Cincy, TV money would at least be the same as it was with Mizzou.
 

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There's a difference between "wanting into the Big 10" and "wanting out of the Big 12".

If you want out of the Big 12, you'll go anywhere. If you just want into the Big 10, you'll probably stay in the Big 12 unless offered by the Big 10. I think that's where Missouri is. They want into the Big 10, but they don't want out of the Big 12 at all cost.
 

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Would Mizzou's football program really die though? They would be in a west division with Arkansas, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Ole Miss and Mississippi State and maybe LSU. Not exactly setting the world on fire minus LSU and Arkansas.
 

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Would Mizzou's football program really die though? They would be in a west division with Arkansas, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Ole Miss and Mississippi State and maybe LSU. Not exactly setting the world on fire minus LSU and Arkansas.

There is a little school in Alabama you may have heard of, called Alabama. Mizzou prob goes to SEC West with LSU, Alabama, LSU, Miss, Miss St, Arkansas and A and M.

I personally think they are totally underestimating being the northern outpost in that conference. But who knows.
 

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They just got done "exploring" their options a couple weeks ago and have explored twice in the past 15 months. Both times they realized their best options are in the Big 12. How much more exploring can they do?

Mizzou can be replaced, OU and Texas can't. If they would add BYU, L'ville, WVU and Cincy, TV money would at least be the same as it was with Mizzou.

They will explore again but maybe this time UT will make the necessary LHN concessions to get into the P12, ACC or B10. BYU is comparable to Mizzou in term of TV value but none of the existing BE schools are.
 
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There is a little school in Alabama you may have heard of, called Alabama. Mizzou prob goes to SEC West with LSU, Alabama, LSU, Miss, Miss St, Arkansas and A and M.

I personally think they are totally underestimating being the northern outpost in that conference. But who knows.

Also, would one game every other year in College Station be enough to hold onto their Texas recruiting base? Florida isn't exactly going to swing open all on its own, especially if they are not even in FL's division.
 

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If Boise State finds a way to the Big 12, they'll be no stopping the BCS from altering rules to drastically change access.
 

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I still can't believe how many of you believe that Mizzou is leaving. All this Mizzou posturing seems to fit exactly with the plan Rebecacy laid out a while ago. So far, he has been pretty much on the money while all these blogs and columns and tweets have been all over the place. With OU to the Pac dead, somebody else needs to be out there threatening conference stability to help drive negotiations with UT. That party is now Mizzou.
So what do we have? People trying to talk sense into Powers to share? How long will the chess match last? 2013? 2015? Wjen the Tier One talks come up? Powers will outlast all the false moves to create conference stability. He may be stubborn. He may not be happy also.

Losing MO and replacing with Cincy does not sound as good.:mad:

Slive needs to have his wheels jacked.:sad:

He is the biggest detriment to college football tradition.:skeptical:

ESPN is ready to watch the dominoes fall.:confused:
 
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