*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[2020cy]

the 24 pac?

We will just call it, The Case. (Sorry, just can't keep up with this thread)

 

[Boomer]

Big XII West

OU
Texas
Oklahoma State
Tech
Baylor
Kansas State
KU
Houston

Big XII East

ISU
Missouri
WVU
Pitt
Louisville
Syracuse
Rutgers
Cinci

 

[cyatheart]

I'd be fine with a Big East raid, but the idea that Beebe is doing this just to "look proactive" is ********.

If he fails, he looks even worse. No one will think "oh, well, he tried. That's cool." Which is exactly what people imply by saying he's trying to save face. There's no saving face here unless you succeed.

Also, if BYU won't join the Big 12, good luck ever playing big boy ball. Have fun with at de facto WAC schedule they're playing right now.

BYU does have a major scheduling problem, their home schedule is really really bad.

 

[hawkfan]

One thing is becoming clear: both OU/UT would like for the Big 12 to exist, but it is sounding more and more like they both realize it isn't a viable conference in the long term (due primarily to the unbalanced demographics).

 

[Al_4_State]

BYU does have a major scheduling problem, their home schedule is really really bad.

And they always will as an Independent.

Now I'd rather we raid the Big East than take BYU. By decimating another BCS league, it would establish credibility for the Big 12, and really, there aren't ANY Big East schools who have been traditional power conference members in danger of losing their BCS status, so it really doesn't matter if that league is destroyed. If I knew for 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that ISU was headed to a BCS league instead of simply confident that it will happen, I'd be fine with the death of the Big 12. The thing that sucks about Big 12 implosion is the potential for teams to be banished from the BCS, and us being one.

 

[Al_4_State]

Big XII West

OU
Texas
Oklahoma State
Tech
Baylor
Kansas State
KU
Houston

Big XII East

ISU
Missouri
WVU
Pitt
Louisville
Syracuse
Rutgers
Cinci

I'd call this a dream scenario. This would be on hell of a basketball league, too.

 

[2020cy]

Big XII West

OU
Texas
Oklahoma State
Tech
Baylor
Kansas State
KU
Houston

Big XII East

ISU
Missouri
WVU
Pitt
Louisville
Syracuse
Rutgers
Cinci

That's a lot of travel for ISU, but I'll take it.

 

[Wesley]

BCS football: The latest on realignment | College Hotline

Lots of stuff, good and bad for the Big 12, in this article.

I find it tough to believe that the dollars in Pac 12 Plus would be thaty much different than the Big 12 Plus. The games on the left coast come on TV so late that people are tired of watching football when it starts at 10:00 saturday (east coast.) People on the left coast are too busy surfing to watch football unless they got o the stadium. The Arizona schools may be the most watchable of their teams.


Yep, Tam to SEC will mean tough times in College Station. Colorado to Pac 12 was to escape a collapsing recruting situation as they were lsoing their competitive edge after the dan Hawkins experiment. Nebby to Big Ten was to quick switch before they lost AAU status. MO to SEC still does not make sense unless they want to be Miss State. OU looks west and sees little to gain. OU looks south and sees no easy rows to hoe. OU would do well to keep the Big 12 going if they know what is good for them.

 

[Boomer]

Take Houston out of my above scenario and slide in New Mexico no more Texas schools

 

[alarson]

Id be just fine with raiding a few teams out of the Big East.

At a certain point, no matter who you add, you're flying anyways. At that point you're talking about minor differences in travel time.

And getting into the east coast could have some benefits for the conference. No longer all 'flyover' teams.

 

[jbhtexas]

Big XII West

OU
Texas
Oklahoma State
Tech
Baylor
Kansas State
KU
Houston

Big XII East

ISU
Missouri
WVU
Pitt
Louisville
Syracuse
Rutgers
Cinci

The travel for ISU and MU is ridiculous. No Thanks.

 

[cyatheart]

Problem with the Big East and ACC schools...to many of them bball matters and some of them actually care about academics, lot of them have no interest in the midwest schools or even realize they exist. different mindset than the "footbal only" mindset of the south schools

 

[Boomer]

I fixed it. cause I dont think OU/Texas will allow Houston in

Big XII West

OU
Texas
OSU
Tech
Baylor
KU
KSU
New Mexico ( yes they are weak but the new league can absorb the hit, Big new market)


Big XII East

ISU
Missouri
Pit
WVU
Louisville
Cinci
Syracuse
Rutgers


You can make permanent cc rivialry games to ensure the former Big XII schools still have Texas access ( ISU vs Baylor, Missouri vs Texas/Tech) etch

 

[IcSyU]

Id be just fine with raiding a few teams out of the Big East.

At a certain point, no matter who you add, you're flying anyways. At that point you're talking about minor differences in travel time.

It matters BIG time in the non-revenue sports.

 

[boone7247]

If we are going to spitball impossible ideas why not go with this.

West
Arizona
Arizona St
BYU
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma ST
Texas Tech
Texas

East
KSU
Kansas
Missouri
Iowa State
Louisville
West Virginia
Pitt
Rutgers

Edited: We could call it the BIG conference, so it will be the BIG East and BIG West. Plus that would **** off the B1G.

 

[HoopsTournament]

*** The Big 12’s pursuit of Notre Dame, Arkansas and BYU is mostly a smoke screen – a chance for commissioner Dan Beebe to show he’s being proactive.

I have been told by several sources that BYU is very happy with its status as a football Independent and having its Olympic sports in the West Coast Conference – the school and the league share many of the same values.

It’s extremely unlikely that BYU would pull its teams out of the WCC.

At most, it would join the Big 12 in a football-only capacity – but I don’t expect that to happen, either.

*** Several sources said that while the media attention is locked on the Big 12’s purported courtship of BYU, what’s really happening behind the scenes is this:

The Big 12 is considering a raid of the Big East for at least two teams and perhaps more.

The names I heard from multiple sources were Pittsburgh and Rutgers, but I have to believe others, including Louisville and West Virginia, are in play.

The notion that the Big 12 was only interested in Pitt as a package deal with Notre Dame, I was told, is rubbish


BCS football: The latest on realignment | College Hotline

At this point, I frankly have no idea what is going to happen, but no one else does either. There are a lot of good tidbits here without overreaction, but still opinions from sources. The most important point is that schools talking to other conferences are contingency plans, not because they are making plans to bolt.

 

[Boomer]

it just won't die

 

[isuno1fan]

I go from hating you to loving you in one post.

People...the author of this article/blog is from the West coast with a vested insterest in seeing the B12 implode. Additionally, the P12 and BYU are not friendly at all so to cast them aside is not surprising. Mizzou to the SEC is crap as well.

Unfortunately we will have to live with all this speculation until A&M makes its move and the B12 can announce its new member(s).

 

[QBUMizzou]

I see a lot of posts from Mizzou fans stating they have no interest in going to the Pac 12 because of time zones and geography. Yet those same fans have no problem bringing Air Force, BYU and Houston to the Big 12.

IMO, it's a wash.

If by some chance Mizzou, Kansas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were to go the Pac 12, I'm pretty sure they would play in the "eastern division" with Utah, Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado.

IMO, that is no worse than traveling to SEC locales. Further, that division would be very good in football and basketball.

I would assume Mizzou would play divisional rivals every year, and rotate two western division teams into their schedule each season as well.

Finally, the Pac 12's academics seem more compatible to Mizzou than the SEC's.

Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Utah

That would mean five previous Big 8 members would be reunited. I can't help but prefer this to any scenario outside of an invitation to the Big Ten, which I'm not sure is ever coming.

 

[brett108]

At this point, I frankly have no idea what is going to happen, but no one else does either. There are a lot of good tidbits here without overreaction, but still opinions from sources. The most important point is that schools talking to other conferences are contingency plans, not because they are making plans to bolt.

I think the trigger will be who is #14 for the SEC? If they come and get a Big 12 school, then the conference is going away(because it would likely be a big fish). If it is another conference that hasn't been raided, then I think everyone survives with a little shuffling.