*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[HoopsTournament]

I remember reading last year that to keep AQ status a conference must have 6 members that have played each other for at least 5 years according to the NCAA.

That doesn't look good for the remaining teams in the conference. I think Mizzou is the next to leave anyway, so the Big XII will be down to 4 if that happens. When UConn and Rutgers go to the ACC, and WVU goes to the SEC there will only be 3 football teams left in the Big East.

NEITHER conference will be able to keep AQ status.

That is for NCAA tournament not BCS. BCS is not governed by NCAA. I outlined it earlier on here. AQ status is base on contracts with the BCS bowls. Both the Big East and Big 12 have contracts so whichever conference remains keeps it.

In 2014, it will be reevaluated. The current rules state that you have to be in top 6 in 2 of 3 categories as outlined on BCS website. It might be changed then, but each conference plus ND have a vote (total of 11 if merger happens). 4 super conferences plus ND would not be enough for a majority to change any rules, so the new conf would have a lot of say in the rules for remaining an AQ conference.

I have actually researched this instead of just "guessed" and then made a conclusion based on that.

 

[twojman]

You're not accounting for cost of production at all.

I was being conservative with the # of households nationwide and I did not include ad revenues for the network. I would think those would more than offset production costs.

 

[RayShimley]

Hope this doesn't go anywhere. If non-football Big East schools start taking up space in other conferences, that could potentially limit landing spots for the rest of us. The non-football BE schools just need to form their own conference or merge with something like the A10.

It says in the article that they would only be joining the ACC as a basketball-only member, so I don't see the conflict with ISU. They would still need 16 FBS football schools.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Pac-12 expansion: The latest on Texas, revenue sharing and 16-team division alignment | College Hotline

Great summary about Pac 12 expansion.

 

[State43]

STOP INCLUDING NOTRE DAME! They will never come to our conference EVER if any conference ever.

 

[NobodyBeatsCy]

Commish of the ACC will be on this radio show at the top of the hour 10 AM Central, and then Chip Brown at 10:30 - FYI

Sports Radio 790 The Zone|Listen Live

ACC Commish John Swafford:

Pitt & Cuse adds to the long term stability to ACC, and are great "fits" to the conference

Looked at scheduling models for both 14 & 16 teams, not opposed to 16 teams

Well prepared from an information standpoint for a long time, just did it quietly

Had a lot of schools reaching out to ACC

Not much new

 

[Pseudonym]

I was being conservative with the # of households nationwide and I did not include ad revenues for the network. I would think those would more than offset production costs.

Based off the fact that 3 out of every 4 commercials on the BTN were for Rotel, I don't think they get hardly anything for ad revenue. Just a guess. You also need to account for whatever provider we partner with to create the network, they need to profit too. Fox half owns the BTN for example.

 

[isuno1fan]

Confirmed: Villanova Has Applied For ACC Membership - The Nova Blog

Sorry if its been posted already. I think thats interesting that a non-football would want out of the BIG East. I would figured the Big East basketball schools would stick together.

Now that is weird.

 

[ty4cy90]

Guest Column: Next ISU president needs to address health of Big 12 - Iowa State Daily: Opinion

Great article here by ISU professor Steffan Schmidt about next ISU President and realignment. This is why I hate hawk fans that go to ISU.

 

[twojman]

Based off the fact that 3 out of every 4 commercials on the BTN were for Rotel, I don't think they get hardly anything for ad revenue. Just a guess. You also need to account for whatever provider we partner with to create the network, they need to profit too. Fox half owns the BTN for example.

Much of the startup is done with the LHN. Early on ad revenue would be low but I would guess Dish and DirecTV would pick it up so we are probably at or above the # of out of footprint households. There will be plenty of money to go around. Even if I am off take $1 million off per team you are still at an additional $6.2 million from where every team is at now except Texas.

 

[hawkeyeh8r]

wow id love to be th OP to this thread with all the credits hes racked up

 

[Wesley]

Maybe not 15-20 years ago...but with the way ISU's been moving as a university in recent history, we SCREAM Big Ten in almost every way. Growing, large research endowment, updating facilities, regional footprint, land-grant university, supportive (and traveling) fan base, AAU! Our football program would be very competitive even now, and who knows where we could go with Rhoads?

Right now, we'd be in better shape than Purdue and Minnesota, and Illinois is certainly not in amazing shape. Iowa's up and down, Penn State's disappointing, Northwestern is solid but not incredible, and you'd figure that one of Wisconsin and Michigan State will eventually give way and allow Michigan to return to the higher echelon of that league. We could do just as well there as in the Big XII, and our other programs would be very competitive (MBB, WBB, VB, wrestling).

With the federal govt deep in borrowing troubles and new taxes coming fopr corporations, I expect research dollars to dry up, so all we may have left is football to tout. For instance, the DOE and EPA will not have as much money to hand out. GE may not be doing as much research. The drop in research could snowball by 2014. Can we wait that long for Beebe to get a FOX/ESPN/CBS/TNT/NBC multi tier contract for the Big 12 Plus?

 

[HoopsTournament]

wow id love to be th OP to this thread with all the credits hes racked up

He must have gambled them away because he is "only" at 28m.

 

[BCClone]

This whole thing SUCKS, SUCKS, SUCKS!!!! It's really ******* me off!!!! We have been loyal members for the whole time. When we finally start clawing our way out of the gutter we GET IT BROKE OFF IN US!!!!! I seriously believe that if this would have held off for 2-3 more *^#%^*^ years we would have looked twice as attractive as we do now with what Fred and CPR are doing. I am tired off getting kicked on the groin when we get a date with a hot chick after working our tails off.

 

[BCClone]

Whew, I feel better know. Think I'll mosey over to the positive thread and have myself a cinnamon roll.

 

[weR138]

This whole thing SUCKS, SUCKS, SUCKS!!!! It's really ******* me off!!!! We have been loyal members for the whole time. When we finally start clawing our way out of the gutter we GET IT BROKE OFF IN US!!!!! I seriously believe that if this would have held off for 2-3 more *^#%^*^ years we would have looked twice as attractive as we do now with what Fred and CPR are doing. I am tired off getting kicked on the groin when we get a date with a hot chick after working our tails off.

Take it easy. We'll be fine. We're not getting demoted and we'll land in a legit AQ conference. Any other outcome defies logic.

The media hacks are making a lot of this stuff up like a magical 64 teams. It's BS.

 

[BCClone]

Take it easy. We'll be fine. We're not getting demoted and we'll land in a legit AQ conference. Any other outcome defies logic.

The media hacks are making a lot of this stuff up like a magical 64 teams. It's BS.

I know and I agree, but I had listened to the doom and gloomers too long and just need to let off steam. I will still donate and buy tickets to ISU. The sun will still come up.

 

[RayShimley]

Take it easy. We'll be fine. We're not getting demoted and we'll land in a legit AQ conference. Any other outcome defies logic.

The media hacks are making a lot of this stuff up like a magical 64 teams. It's BS.

I agree with this, it's just the waiting that is killing me.

I think worst case scenario right now is that the remaining 5 B12 schools absorb whatever BE teams don't go to the ACC. This makes the most sense because the Big East has no signed TV contract and the B12 has much larger exit penalties (~$25 mil vs $5 mil), so by preserving the B12 we keep our huge 2nd tier contract, add quality teams, and spread around $125 in exit penalties.

 

[CycloneErik]

On the bright side, if we do the merger with the leftover Big East teams, we can look back at these days and say, "It was the best of times, it was the bleast of times."

We'll always have that.

 

[weR138]

I agree with this, it's just the waiting that is killing me.

I think worst case scenario right now is that the remaining 5 B12 schools absorb whatever BE teams don't go to the ACC. This makes the most sense because the Big East has no signed TV contract and the B12 has much larger exit penalties (~$25 mil vs $5 mil), so by preserving the B12 we keep our huge 2nd tier contract, add quality teams, and spread around $125 in exit penalties.

I quit thinking about specific scenarios a while back but this could be a possibility. My biggest concern in this is that it gets resolved soon. I'm not saying it's hurting recruiting but it can't possibly be helping. We've got a legit shot at UT in a couple weeks and I'd hate for a victory to be overshadowed by media created uncertainty.