*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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You don't think the Big Ten is significantly easier in football? It's a joke, the national media is laughing about them getting rolled by Rice, South Dakota Community College, North Dakota A&M, etc...
There are four Big Ten teams flirting with 90... NINETY ... or below in the current Sagarin rankings. That is a crap football conference no matter what you have at the top.
ISU's conference schedule is 3 top 5 teams, 2 other top 25 teams, @nearly ranked KSU, @ nearly ranked Missouri, Tech and Kansas (even KU is ranked well above four Big Ten schools by computer models).
Nebraska has just about the toughest Big Ten schedule possible this year and it's still a total cakewalk compared to that.
You guys couldn't hang. Paul Rhoads did better against Texas in two years than Nebraska did in an entire decade. Even when they sucked last year they rolled you guys in Lincoln.
Go Badgers! Go Hawkeyes! Go anyone but has-been Huskers.
I can handle this crap from Iowa fans, some of them are genuinely ignorant as to what a cakewalk their league usually is. Nebraska fans know different because they have been getting rolled by Texas and OU for a decade. Get a grip on reality.
What are we supposed to do? Throw up our hands and say "we're screwed! Mail it in!"?
No one is saying that WVU, BYU, and Louisville have bigger fanbases than Nebraska and A&M. They're all bigger fanbases than CU. CU averages less attendance than ISU and has sucked in everything since about 2001.
But you're being foolish if you can't see that Nebraska and A&M have been paper tigers for years. They bring a lot of money, but we can replace them with more competitive teams, who in turn have the potential to grow into bigger, more respected fanbases.
Yep...it is human nature to do so. Not harmful at all...but interesting to step back and read it on this site.
Wow, thanks, again we get set strait by a Nebraska fan. No one on here is saying Texas is Free from blame. Far from it. What pisses us off is that you guys helped give them the power they have. You voted against equal sharing, you were against a conference network in favor of your own, yet you chose to go to the B1G. Say what you will, but two reasons Nebraska did not go for, based on their voting history, would be equal revenue sharing and a conference network. Sugar coat it how you will, whatever lets you sleep better at night, but losing to Texas 9 our of 10 years has a lot to do with the move as well.
And yes, ISU would jump at the chance to go to the B1G, but why? Mainly because of the instability the Big Boys in this conference created and we don't have a lot of other options to stay relevent if the XII collapses. Yes, Texas had a hand in that, but don't deny that Nebraska contributed almost as much. So please, stop trying to defend Nebraska here. If people would quit trying to defend them here, we'd quit talking about Nebraska. You are in a different conference now, go to their boards and pass your kNowledge on to them.
Texas is frankly a problem that some poor souls are going to have to deal with and it's mostly demographics. Unfortunately, we are those poor souls.
As a state, Texas added about as many people to its population in the last decade as the total population of Nebraska and Iowa combined. In this decade they will ADD the population of Oklahoma to their total, and by 2030 they will add more than the equivalent of the combined population of Oklahoma and Missouri.
Their size is just really immense, and this just creates an ever increasing resource disparity. Clearly, it has HUGE implications for media arrangements and contracts. Couple that with the cultural and attitudinal differences unique to Texas and you have an immense problem.
It's not like we're justifying the additions of Tulsa, TCU, and ECU here.
We're talking about schools with Big 12 sized stadiums that have great basketball programs, and have won more BCS bowls in the past decade than the teams they are replacing.
That is fact, and those of you who think the rest of us are "justifying" things are completely hung up on the public perceptions of these schools. Perceptions, that are more based on their current conference affiliation than any on field result.
We're talking about schools with Big 12 sized stadiums that have great basketball programs, and have won more BCS bowls in the past decade than the teams they are replacing.
That is fact, and those of you who think the rest of us are "justifying" things are completely hung up on the public perceptions of these schools. Perceptions, that are more based on their current conference affiliation than any on field result.
I understand where you are coming from and have zero issues with it! We just need to identify what we want as a fan base. A conference with heavyweight athletic departments ($$$) that we can't match up against financially? Or a conference of schools more similar to our standing that could lead us to being more competitive in terms of football championships? Not a championship due to an extraordinary year...but being competitive annually. I am not trying to be a jerk and I hope I am not coming off that way.
I just find it interesting that we have mocked the BE football league and now we are defending some of its members when compared to former members of our league.
We learned how to play the game from Nebby. Now we just need to play the realignment game like the pros do.
Hey, hats off to Neinas and JP. Neinas is light years better than his predecessor and not connected at the UT hip. He is much better than Slime of the SEC. He is more Delaney like. And he is not a casino man like Scott.
JP is doing the PR just right. He is not making any remarks that let people jump to conclusions. When he says 9,10,12, or 16 teams, it takes the chip brownbloods out of the twitter game. Boren (real AD), Dodd (slick), Castiglione (OU figurehead), Zinger (KU newbie), and Deaton (nice clever guy) are just too close to their fanbase to say the right things.
JP is ethical and puts the right words out for release. In JP, we trust. That is for Matt Spottalk. The B12 is lucky to have JP fronting the rest of these yokels/ME Toos. It takes pressure off them when JP is fronting.
What a mess this summer. If this comes out good for the B12, wait for someone to come raid JP for a bigger job....
Speaking of justifying TCU, if this:
greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
I'm hearing the Big 12 is pushing hard for TCU - and TCU hasn't said no just yet
is true, some in the big 12 need to justify their jobs. with the other options we have available, this would be idiotic.
A lot of my criticism of the Big East over the years has been they are the weakest league, and also just 8 teams compared to 12. Team for team they have been comparable to the 12 team ACC, maybe better with WVU being better than the ACC's best team a lot of years.
The fact that they benefitted from numbers and mid level football strength doesn't mean none of their members would be great additions to other BCS conferences. Pitt, WVU, TCU and Louisville are all potential great football adds. UConn and Syracuse are when you consider baketball. USF and Cincy are riskier but could pay off. B1G and ACC seem to have moderate interest in Rutgers but I think it's a pipe dream that Rutgers gets you any more NYC than what you had before.
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Will 2M people be so enamored with TAM-my if she goes 4-8 each year in the SEC?
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Again, not trying to say Texas isn't a problem. I wish we had the option to tell them to take their network elsewhere. What I'm upset about though, is how teams left and tell us how stupid we are for not seeing Texas for what they are. LIke we are little kittens who haven't opened our eyes yet. We see what Texas is, but we can't change it. We don't ahve a B1G invite, so what do we do? We deal with the mess others created. Not because we are better, but because we have no other option. As soon as Nebraska people see that, and quit telling me how terrible Texas is, the sooner I can get back to watching college football instead of ******** about it. (And yes, as it has been referenced by me before, I have a lot of family members who are Nebraska fans. I have freinds who are fans. So weather it's a family or social function, someone loves to tell me how terrible Texas is.)
Winning a BCS bowl is winning a BCS bowl. WVU won 2. Louisville won 1. Cincinatti lost their but they got there. I'm trying to think but I don't think any B12 team has won 2 BCS bowls in the last 6 years. The Big East isn't very good but these three hasve the most success of all of them. Like it has been said. None of the "lost" teams have had as much recent success as those teams mentioned in either sport.
People actually thinking teams like Louisville, BYU, WV, Cincy make up for losing Texas A&M? You've got to be kidding me.
Top 10 college football "fan bases" according to the NY Times.
Yes, Texas A&M at #6:
The Geography of College Football Fans (and Realignment Chaos) - NYTimes.com
That would be awesome if it mattered. It just so happens that it doesn't.
Ouch!
ChipBrownOB Chip Brown
RT @arisports: #Missouri is 8-25 vs. Top 25 teams since Gary Pinkel arrived in Columbia. Any ranked teams in the #SEC? #Mizzou
ChipBrownOB Chip Brown
RT @arisports: #Missouri is 8-25 vs. Top 25 teams since Gary Pinkel arrived in Columbia. Any ranked teams in the #SEC? #Mizzou
But how many people who 30 days ago thought Iowa State to the Big East to be with Lville, WVU and Cinci was a fate worse than death --- are now saying those three would be great adds to the Big 12 and even an upgrade over who they would replace? It's obvious rationalization, coping with the new reality.
I have no problem with those schools joining the Big 12. But I had no problem with joining them in the Big East if it came to that. There's the difference. I'm not changing my opinion as reality changes.
I've been saying for years that the current Big East schools are much better football programs than they've gotten credit for on this board, or anywhere else really.
WVU and Louisville would be excellent additions.
If this is true, and I doubt it coming from Doyel, it might mean that the SEC and Mizzou have gone separate ways, WVU is joining the SEC, and BYU, Louisville, and TCU are joining.
I can see why you would take TCU over say, Cincy, if WVU was no longer on the board. Although I would rather have Cincy.
I think we're saying the same thing. We don't have a BigTen invite so we HAVE to deal with it somehow.
Neither am I. I was fine with a Big East move.
However, those schools joining the Big 12 isn't anything at all like us joining them. When they join the Big 12, you Texas and OU in the fold. There's no one on that level in the Big East.
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