*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Tre4ISU]

People are changing their opinions to conform to the new desperate reality.

You have nothing to counter the actual argument so you go with that.

aTm, Nebraska, Colorado, and Mizzou BCS bowl wins-0
WVU, Louisville, Cincinatti, BYU BCS Bowl wins-3

In fact those teams have more wins than the others have attempts. Does anyone bring what Nebraska brought? Probably not. Do they bring the clout of aTm? No, but what does that clout mean? Pretty much nothing when you have the other two large Texas schools.

 

[JCloned]

To the latest:

*** The Big 12, which currently has nine teams but may be down to eight very soon — if Missouri leaves for the SEC — is considering expanding to 12, according to sources.

Boise State, Brigham Young, West Virginia and Louisville are under consideration.

(That would be a pretty good league, by the way. Six of the 12 teams are currently ranked: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Baylor, West Virginia and Boise State.)

BCS football: Big 12 expansion options (Boise State, BYU), Missouri to the SEC (?) and more on realignment | College Hotline

 

[Tre4ISU]

But how many people who 30 days ago thought Iowa State to the Big East to be with Lville, WVU and Cinci was a fate worse than death --- are now saying those three would be great adds to the Big 12 and even an upgrade over who they would replace? It's obvious rationalization, coping with the new reality.

I have no problem with those schools joining the Big 12. But I had no problem with joining them in the Big East if it came to that. There's the difference. I'm not changing my opinion as reality changes.

That's a completely different argument though. That argument is that those don't stand on their own from a marketability standpoint as anchors for a conference. When we already have Texas and Oklahoma, you don't need that as much. Their success, specifically in WVU's case is better than anyone's save those two. If we are looking at markets for TV revenue, those three bring more to the table than we will lose with aTm, Mizzou and Colorado.

 

[Senolcyc]

You have nothing to counter the actual argument so you go with that.

aTm, Nebraska, Colorado, and Mizzou BCS bowl wins-0
WVU, Louisville, Cincinatti, BYU BCS Bowl wins-3

In fact those teams have more wins than the others have attempts. Does anyone bring what Nebraska brought? Probably not. Do they bring the clout of aTm? No, but what does that clout mean? Pretty much nothing when you have the other two large Texas schools.

You think recent football wins are most important. I think overall athletic program and overall university is most important. We disagree on what is most important.

But if Cincinnati, for example, was a red-headed stepchild 30 days ago when it looked like ISU might be in its conference --- it is still a redheaded stepchild now. It didn't get any better. People are waffling because they have to cope with the Big 12's downgrade as a conference.

 

[Wesley]

Again, not trying to say Texas isn't a problem. I wish we had the option to tell them to take their network elsewhere. What I'm upset about though, is how teams left and tell us how stupid we are for not seeing Texas for what they are. LIke we are little kittens who haven't opened our eyes yet. We see what Texas is, but we can't change it. We don't ahve a B1G invite, so what do we do? We deal with the mess others created. Not because we are better, but because we have no other option. As soon as Nebraska people see that, and quit telling me how terrible Texas is, the sooner I can get back to watching college football instead of ******** about it. (And yes, as it has been referenced by me before, I have a lot of family members who are Nebraska fans. I have freinds who are fans. So weather it's a family or social function, someone loves to tell me how terrible Texas is.)

I would never worry about Nebby fans at this point. They dropped all Clone stories as soon as the league switch went official. Now the OWH talks about hurt safeties at Iowa.

Nebby fans will say whatever makes them feel better about their situation. They are not happy for future Little ten road trips. Yet Columbus and Ann Arbor will be fun the first time. They have too far to go see an Indiana or Purdue blowout. Penn State will kick their butt in vball and wrestling. Michigan will always say Nebby is not AAU material. All they will have is their Bo Pelini hotshot football team. They will be known as the prairie people who are not cosmopolitan enough. Just watch the bickering start in a few years. Watch the Hawkette and big B1G Red fans start to snipe at each other. It is coming.

 

[BigRedPowrWagon]

I dont lose any sleep over this. Its just football.

 

[Tre4ISU]

You think recent football wins are most important. I think overall athletic program and overall university is most important. We disagree on what is most important.

But if Cincinnati, for example, was a red-headed stepchild 30 days ago when it looked like ISU might be in its conference --- it is still a redheaded stepchild now. It didn't get any better. People are waffling because they have to cope with the Big 12's downgrade as a conference.

As far as a University there isn't a comparison. What we are losing was much greater than what we may get. That really doesn't matter though. If it did, we wouldn't have to worry about this. I also think some are looking at what we are adding and what their role needs to be. Those teams like Cincinnati aren't programs that can suppport a conference at the level we would like. That isn't the argument. The argument is them as an addition to what we have. We have Oklahoma and Texas. They have been and always will be our anchors and chief money makers. WVU, UL, and Cinci aren't going to take their spot but they are options that will still give us a strong conference both competitively and financially. The Big East argument is about the conference as a whole while this argument is about the individual university's that we pick. WVU and Louisville are probably the top two from the conference right now. And, no, I don't care about the academic side. I am beyond caring about that and have resigned to the fact it just doesn't matter.

 

[cyfanatic]

And, no, I don't care about the academic side. I am beyond caring about that and have resigned to the fact it just doesn't matter.

Very true! When it comes to realignment...it isn't part of the equation.

 

[Wesley]

People actually thinking teams like Louisville, BYU, WV, Cincy make up for losing Texas A&M? You've got to be kidding me.
Top 10 college football "fan bases" according to the NY Times.
Yes, Texas A&M at #6:

The Geography of College Football Fans (and Realignment Chaos) - NYTimes.com

We will truly miss the academics of TAM-my more than its football prowess. We will miss the Aggie jokes. We liked the 12th man. We liked the cadets but not their mason jars. We like Mike Sherman who was replaced at Green Bay. The unis looked okay. Anything else?

That said, we liked UT-aTm at T-giving since the game meant so little and we could eat our turkey. We no longer miss the Red-CU clashes either. CU fell on tough times. We can now watch Iowa-B1G Red while we eat our turkey. We will not care who wins. Pass the dessert.

TAM-my football has normally fizzled as the season went on. By T-giving, they were usually not looking too hot. Their Olympic sports are better than their fball team.

 

[everyyard]

Anyone that thinks replacing Tammy, NU, CU, and god-forbid mizzou with any and all of the list of TCU, L-ville, WV, Cincy, BYU, NM, or BSU really is being blinded by proximity. Will we take those schools? Of course, it means survival. But, there isn't a one of you that shouldn't prefer that we kept everyone we had and just became happier. I mean, these are BIG state schools we are losing. Some of them are 100 year rivals. And you think Cincy makes up for that? That is CRAZY. I am hoping agaisnt all odds that Mizzou stays. We really do need them, despite what half of you seem to believe.

 

[Wesley]

Ouch!

ChipBrownOB Chip Brown
RT @arisports: #Missouri is 8-25 vs. Top 25 teams since Gary Pinkel arrived in Columbia. Any ranked teams in the #SEC? #Mizzou

Ouch. Glad to see De-Loss has chip working the MO boys today.

 

[Cyclophile1]

I've been saying for years that the current Big East schools are much better football programs than they've gotten credit for on this board, or anywhere else really.

WVU and Louisville would be excellent additions.

Having only 8 in a league creates the "Small Pond" perception and criticism, but I actually think the high end of the BigEast has done well on the large stage. The deserve some credit for that.

I'm not going to say I like losing Nebraska and A&M because I don't like to see the traditions and history thrown out the window. These are the things that make college football unique and not some obvious NFL minor league system . College football is losing its charm with these moves, losing a big part of what makes it special and endearing. It's losing it's soul.

Fact is, we need to replace those teams and the replacements aren't likely to have the fan followings nearly as large. I get that. I just don't happen to view BYU and Louisville as some kind of dreck.

I would have been okay with the BigXII/BigEast hybrid, if the whole Pac-16 move had happened. I would still be an ISU fan at the level I am today under that scenario.

 

[ricochet]

People actually thinking teams like Louisville, BYU, WV, Cincy make up for losing Texas A&M? You've got to be kidding me.
Top 10 college football "fan bases" according to the NY Times.
Yes, Texas A&M at #6:

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

Clemson is #10 and the highest ranked ACC school? Really?

 

[trajanJ]

We really need Mizzou to stay. It works out for us that the Big East is falling apart and we can grab some schools but as a KU fan Mizzou will be a huge loss. Already see many KU fans saying if they leave we should never play them again. Can't say I don't blame them for feeling that way, but also don't really blame Mizzou if they leave this mess. I still don't trust this conference and feel that it will fall apart eventually. Mizzou would be just going to a conference they know will stand the test of time. Plus it would eliminate a school from the Big 10 and that would be good for KU & ISU.

 

[Al_4_State]

We really need Mizzou to stay. It works out for us that the Big East is falling apart and we can grab some schools but as a KU fan Mizzou will be a huge loss. Already see many KU fans saying if they leave we should never play them again. Can't say I don't blame them for feeling that way, but also don't really blame Mizzou if they leave this mess. I still don't trust this conference and feel that it will fall apart eventually. Mizzou would be just going to a conference they know will stand the test of time. Plus it would eliminate a school from the Big 10 and that would be good for KU & ISU.

The irony here, of course, is that if Mizzou wasn't contemplating leaving, it would be much less of a mess.

If schools just committed to the Big 12, many of it's problems would "magically" disappear.

 

[BuddyLufkin]

Way too much crying about Texas.

Texas did nothing unilaterally relative to revenue sharing or 3rd tier rights. Any school would have taken the $300 million offer from ESPN.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Anyone that thinks replacing Tammy, NU, CU, and god-forbid mizzou with any and all of the list of TCU, L-ville, WV, Cincy, BYU, NM, or BSU really is being blinded by proximity. Will we take those schools? Of course, it means survival. But, there isn't a one of you that shouldn't prefer that we kept everyone we had and just became happier. I mean, these are BIG state schools we are losing. Some of them are 100 year rivals. And you think Cincy makes up for that? That is CRAZY. I am hoping agaisnt all odds that Mizzou stays. We really do need them, despite what half of you seem to believe.

It looks like we need Mizzou but why? I don't think we need them to keep any current TV market we are in. From a competitive stand point they have been pretty good in both revenue sports but they haven't been fantastic. I don't think the conference NEEDS the KU/MU rivalry. I just don't see the drop off being huge from Mizzou to WVU.

 

[bosco]

Way too much crying about Texas.

Texas did nothing unilaterally relative to revenue sharing or 3rd tier rights. Any school would have taken the $300 million offer from ESPN.

You are right they would. What would happen in the SEC if Alabama got a $15mil deal for their 3rd tier rights. Would the rest of the schools in their conference say thats cool and sing kum bi yah around the SEC conference meetings? I think you would see the exact same thing in the SEC as you would here and Slive working to prevent that by trying to get a SEC network going.

 

[vmbplayer]

It looks like we need Mizzou but why? I don't think we need them to keep any current TV market we are in. From a competitive stand point they have been pretty good in both revenue sports but they haven't been fantastic. I don't think the conference NEEDS the KU/MU rivalry. I just don't see the drop off being huge from Mizzou to WVU.

I agree with this. You keep the KC market with KU, KSU and ISU. you may lose St. Louis, but that's pretty Big 10 country because of Illinois from my understanding already.

 

[cyman05]

Big step for Mizzou’s conference future may come Tuesday - KansasCity.com

Multiple sources have told The Star of plans that day for a meeting of the University of Missouri Board of Curators, where the Tigers’ position in conference realignment scenarios will be discussed.
The most likely result, if a simple majority of the seven curators with voting privileges favor the move, would be formal authorization for MU to explore admission to another conference. But there are other matters to be considered, including candidates to fill the position of University of Missouri system president, currently held on an interim basis by Steve Owens.
A decision to either stay in the Big 12 or leave is not anticipated. No official announcement of a meeting has been made. Under Missouri law, meeting times must be publicly posted at least 24 hours in advance.
No board members responded to interview requests on Wednesday. But three sources closely aligned with the board or the university said that the curators’ prime concern is a Big 12 exit fee of as much as $40 million.
“If it were just a matter of saying let’s go, say goodbye Big 12 and join the SEC,â€￾ one source said. “If there was no litigation or a few dollars involved, it would be an easy choice.

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Opposition to authorizing Missouri to leave the Big 12 appears to be centered on the Kansas City area, perhaps because of economic fears associated with losing the Big 12 men’s basketball tournament at the Sprint Center if the conference no longer had a school in Missouri.

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During a curators meeting last week in Columbia, the voice of one board member linked to the meeting by speakerphone asked others if they, too, had been deluged by emails.
The source, who is not a curator, told The Star he understood that most emails favored Missouri changing conferences.
“Over a thousand,â€￾ the source said, “90 percent of which say, ‘Get us out of the Big 12,’ about 70 percent of which say, ‘Get us into the SEC.’ â€￾
But, the source added, “It’s not that simple.â€￾