They are not a national power but are a national brand. I'd hate to say it, so are the Husker's.
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They are not a national power but are a national brand. I'd hate to say it, so are the Husker's.
The question is, how long do they stay a national brand if they can't get back to being a national power? Remember UNLV basketball in the 1980s? They were national brand and national power. Nowadays, outside of a pesky out that Lon Kruger made them, nobody cares, or, at least not to the extent people did 25 years ago.
Don't want ND or any new members with only one foot in. Either join or don't. Not sure I want FSU or Clemson either because (1) they seem to want us only as avenue out of ACC. Not highly committed to B12 and (2) they would jump again if SEC offered.
Don't think that is how you maintain stability.
Don't think that is how you maintain stability.
I think a GOR would keep FSU & Clemson for the term of the contract......after that who knows about the SEC. Really who knows about anyone in this crazy realignment game. I really have reservations about ND as a partial member of the Big XII. We have been there and done that and it did not work well in the BE. There are much bigger teams and AD departments to overcome in the Big XII, but they have Dodd's ear. They promised to play so many games while in the BE but didn't. If they played a team there it was of their choosing who it was and where the game was. Unless it is in concrete, who thinks they would willingly come to Ames for a game? They also supplanted BE teams in the bowl selection process. They probably made it possible to secure more bowls, but it was angering to watch them take a bowl that you were in line for. I would be very careful in having all ones i's dotted t's crossed in any contract with them as a partial member.
Had to laugh at the perception of the WVU scout boards. Just put on your waders, strap on a side arm and come on over. :wideeyed:
Had to laugh at the perception of the WVU scout boards. Just put on your waders, strap on a side arm and come on over. :wideeyed:
The fact that ND is a national brand even after a long streak lacking success pretty much leaves this analogy dead in the water.
Right now, the idea of Florida State and Clemson joining the Big 12 is pretty exciting. The football playoff system that is evolving appears to be the key to them joining, because the ACC may have trouble getting teams in the playoff compared to the SEC, Big 10, Pac 12, and Big 12. Nobody can say what could happen in the future, say if the SEC asked them to join. But who knows if the SEC will stay on top forever. What if Saban moves on? What if Miles moves on? Anyway, Florida State and Clemson would get us to 12 for now, and that is important in light of what the other major conferences are doing. If the Big 12 goes to 14 in the future, Louisville would be great because it would tie the eastern teams to the west, and of course they are very interested in joining. Notre Dame? If they would join as a full member in all sports, it would be a real coup for the conference. If not, my personal preference is BYU, even though geographically a conference strung out from Tallahassee to Provo would not seem to make much sense. If not BYU, Georgia Tech would be my next choice. TV-market-wise, Georgia Tech would really help the conference.
Except for the fact that Notre Dame is MUCH less of a national brand than they were before then, and they will likely continue to fall off.
So you're good with the analogy to UNLV?
They've fallen so far, that they can't write their ticket to whatever conference they want? No, don't think so.
What do you think ISU fans would think about playing at Notre Dame? Just another road game? No, don't think so.
They havent yet fallen as far, but they will over time, and that's the analogy he was making.
I guess to me UNLV was never at the same level of a Notre Dame as far as brand goes, so the analogy is inherently false from the start. A couple of years of success qualifies the same as a traditional power name now?
Sorry, a proper analogy would take a real national brand for comparison, not a faux national brand with limited success and certainly limited nationwide appeal.
You don't think history and tradition play a role in the programs that are national brands? Only if you're ******* crazy.
I agree that Notre Dame is less of a national brand now than they used to be, but I don't think they would continue to fall off it they joined the Big 12. Nebraska is less of a national brand than it used to be, too, but who would not want them back in the Big 12? If the Big 12 gets Florida State and Clemson, I think there is a good chance at it getting Notre Dame (in all sports). I think there would then eventually be only four major football conferences -- the SEC, Big 10, PAC 12, and Big 12 -- with the ACC's other decent football schools getting picked up by the SEC, Big 10, and Big 12. More than likely, the four major conferences would all end up at 16 teams, and that would fit perfectly with a playoff system.
You must not remember the 1980s and early 1990s very well. UNLV was dominant for much more than two years. Unless you are saying that Notre Dame won the championship every single year during their glory years (which they weren't).
Do a little research...UNLV had some great seasons under Tark before the Johnson/Augmon/Hunt/Anthony teams
Your point is right, but if you think it was only two years, then either you weren't alive then or have forgotten. They had 3 final fours in 5 years.
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