I agree with this, but the assumption is they would be coming as a package with another team or teams. In that scenario, they are a very good fit.
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I agree with this, but the assumption is they would be coming as a package with another team or teams. In that scenario, they are a very good fit.
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What does this even mean, and why should the Big 12 care about looking "weak"? Whose perception is it that they should be concerned about?
If you knew nothing of ISU but megathread, you would think Iowa State had the resources and history of Michigan or Texas.
It's been a blast, quite a few posts in the megathread have even questioned if FSU is worth adding (zero sarcasm). Quite entertaining. The new trend is you can't mention Louisville without someone jumping the gun that any expansion with Louisville involved means certain financial doom.
It's ironic because before ACC instability leaked they were the consensus best available and most of the board was "bring them on down" if we could find a #12 who also was as good of a fit. It's all right there for anyone who wants to thumb few a pages or 1000.
I would say the national perception would definitely be something they should be concerned about. Perception is a major issue in collegiate sports when you are recruiting against other conferences, trying to get games on national television, getting in the polls, etc.
Where did you find Louisville budget numbers that showed AD contributions? Just curious, since the numbers at the EADA site don't show this breakdown.
Now...be reasonable...of course AD budget is an important factor to consider. It's speaks to the school's ability to support facilities and pay coaches, which are essential to the success of the school, and ultimately to the success of the conference. They can't fudge those reported numbers that much, or the Feds would be on them.
Adding the #1 basketball program in terms of attendance/revenue and a football program that is right in the middle of BCS programs along with several other marquee names would have ZERO negative reputation affect on the Big 12.
Adding Louisville and staying at an awkward 11 might, they're not Penn State, but nobody is talking about them making a final 11 teams.
Really, you don't think plucking a middle of the road football team out of a mid major conference wouldn't be a reputation hit? Let's be real here, basketball has absolutely nothing to do with expansion. No one gives a damn about how many people shows up to watch their games or how well do they did in a given season.
Don't get me wrong, I love MBB, but the sport has absolutely zero say in what is going to happen in terms of realignment.
I personally don't see a point in adding an 11th if there isn't an adequate 12th waiting in the wings. An FSU/Clemson scenario makes sense business wise (I still prefer 10, but my opinion doesn't really matter), but an FSU/Louisville addition? Not so much.
Nope. Not unless it's just Louisville or Louisville and a second non-marquee team which NOBODY is talking about now.
Louisville with any combination of FSU, ND or other good ACC programs has absolutely zero negative public perception. In fact it's a HOME RUN.
You answered your own question, they won't be #11 unless #12 is a blockbuster.
They're in as a 12th or 14th if 11 or 11-13 are incredible. If we have 2 or 4 more ideal fits to add I doubt they're in despite their enthusiasm for the Big 12, if there are 1 or 3 willing ideal fits you better get used to Louisville. The rest of the nation will only think the Big 12 is awesome for it.
I don't think there would be any "reputation" hit by adding Louisville with an FSU type program.
Adding Louisville and only Louisville is a waste. This has to pay to make sense, and I can't see how Louisville alone is going to pay anywhere close enough to make this happen.
Adding Louisville and only Louisville is a waste. This has to pay to make sense, and I can't see how Louisville alone is going to pay anywhere close enough to make this happen.
So some hypotheticals...ND/FSU/Clemson/Louisville or ND/Louisville or FSU/Louisville
Those are viewed as a national embarrassment to the Big 12???????
They're #1 in basketball program value and probably smack in the middle of 70 BCS football programs around 35. How on Earth is adding them and 1 or 3 blockbuster teams an embarrassment?
It has to be Ohio State, USC, Florida State and LSU for the final 14. Anything less is a failure I guess.
adding UL is not going to matter if ND and FSU come into the fold.
the $ will jack up regardless.
the $ will jack up regardless.
I am dead serious if you read back in megatrhead that some of our posters don't think Florida State makes the pie bigger. We have some people who only see a fixed pie that never grows and "x" number of pieces.
You're putting together an impossible scenario. ND for everything but football is a possibility (a ****** one at that), but joining as a full member seems to be a bit of a pipe dream.
Let's speak completely hypothetically, if for some reason the B12 was able to add FSU/Clemson/ND, don't you think they could easily pull a much more favorable 14th? They could pretty much pick and choose an ACC school that best fit the desires of the incoming other 3, why would anyone settle for Louisville in that scenario?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Anyone who is pining for an 8-game conference schedule needs to get on board with the partial member Notre Dame plan. Being able to guarantee 1-2 marquee non-conference games with ND every year would be the best weapon the Big 12 has in being able to negotiate a good tv price with less conference games. And ISU would almost NEVER be picked for the Notre Dame game so it has almost no negative effect on us. The conference is stable enough now to absorb the goofy set-up.
Louisville is in the mix for a reason, ND wants them in or some other reason. They will be the 14th team added - not the 12th. ND/FSU will both have to come to increase the $$$ for the cardinals to join.
Assuming ND has a strong voice as to who Team #14 is, I am thinking that GTech, BC and Pitt would all be ahead of Louisville in ND's pecking order. This is assuming that FSU and Clemson are #11 and #12. I think one can safely assume that FSU will insist on another southern ACC school joining them.
Louisville has a very strong advocate in David Boren from OU and WVU may also be in Louisville's corner but I think ND's influence will supersede others.
Lots of smokescreens out there now IMO. It was leaked earlier this week that ND and NBC were close to agreeing on a new deal. One can safely assume that ESPN is also offering huge dollars to ND in order for them to join the B12.
I cannot imagine the new BCS format setting up barriers that would make ND's participation in the 4-team playoff as an indy nearly impossible. As a result, I am betting on ND extending their deal with NBC and remaining an indy.
Maybe Louisville is in the mix to keep football from becoming too much of a meat grinder. If you start combining a bunch of schools into a single conference that all think of themselves as national contenders, and then they start to get squeezed out of their spot in the pecking order, people get unhappy and instability starts to pop up again. Just look at Nebraska. They were getting pushed to second tier status and walked away from a century of tradition without giving it much thought.
You could be talking about a conference with OU, UT, Clemson, FSU, and ND all expecting to make national title runs. WVU and TCU have been top 15 quality as well, and OSU is a program on the rise. Something has to give if you throw all those guys together with a 9 game schedule. It gets even more crowded if you throw in someone like Va Tech as a 14th team.
Louisville is a solid schedule filler that won't squeeze out one of the power players, and you get the added bonus of a good geographic fit and another top tier hoops program. If you grab a couple more big boys and add a title game, the money will work. At some point, you just need some respectable warm bodies to fill out the middle and lower tiers of the conference.
You could be talking about a conference with OU, UT, Clemson, FSU, and ND all expecting to make national title runs. WVU and TCU have been top 15 quality as well, and OSU is a program on the rise. Something has to give if you throw all those guys together with a 9 game schedule. It gets even more crowded if you throw in someone like Va Tech as a 14th team.
Louisville is a solid schedule filler that won't squeeze out one of the power players, and you get the added bonus of a good geographic fit and another top tier hoops program. If you grab a couple more big boys and add a title game, the money will work. At some point, you just need some respectable warm bodies to fill out the middle and lower tiers of the conference.
If this is the case as you're suggesting here, then it is more likely the B12 would add a school with better academic profile than a commuter school like Louisville. Schools like Pitt, BC or Georgia Tech that have not been perennial heavyweights in football like Louisville.
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